I know you don't like me for a lot of reasons and that is ok, we can't please everyone.
First off, Rosie is what got me to fall in love with the breed to begin with, before I even knew haflingers exsisted. I got her when I lived in OK and she was one of those 'oops' foals when the stallions have to be over 3 to breed to reg. the foals. Her sire was 2 thus AHR would not give the people her papers. I saw both her parents so I personally don't need 'proof'. I am not breeding her to sell a foal to make money to improve the breed for the simple reasons she doesn't have papers. If I do decide to breed her this year it will be for sentimental reasons for a friend who wants a foal out of her.But that is another story that some would probably not understand.
I am still promoting the breed reguardless. Grade or not. And yes I am proud to say I trained her from scratch, I mean who wouldn't be? I never thought growing up I would know how to train a horse by myself, yet I did. It is such an amazing feeling.
I know you HATED the fact I 'raffled' off my filly from last year, you wouldn't even respond to my emails that I sent you after you sent me some privatly, but it was to help get to the rose parade. I get a text from the lady who won her almost every other day about how much she loves her! Even if I had sold her I couldn't be happier as to where she went. Heck when we had our horrible rain storms here she was in a nice warm barn and my horses were all outside. lol besides, she was not one of the 2 I mentioned I sold easily, it was two previous foals I had. I have only had 4 foals total in the last 6 years I've owned my own horses.
I do have three reg. haflingers for breeding/riding/driving whatever I may use them for. I can't really promote my stud yet as he is still young. But once he is older I will do the same with him as I do with Rosie. But for my breeding program yes, I do want papers on my horses. And my one mare is classified purple. I will classify my stallion whenever there is an I&C around here or just within 6-8hrs driving distance. (truck is getting old lol)
Yes I do have my haflinger mares booked to gypsies this year, I love both breeds and they make a great cross. I want to have haflingers AND Haflinger Gyspy sport horses, do you not like me for wanting both? You don't HAVE to have just ONE breed of horse your into. And before you start getting off on the statment you made
'Sounds like you like into making feathered spotted crosses. Hmm... last I heard that was a pretty trendy breed." Get your facts straight just a little big....
I am NOT making spotted crosses, In fact, the foals from this breeding will SHOCK me IF they are spotted as I am breeding to Cici's Sir Keith (who is a solid smokey black silver dapple) Here is his link http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/sirkeith.html
And also to Cici's Duke of Earl who is a RARE sooty buckskin who is being trained by Diane Olds Rossi. ( I would think English people would know of her, and she does a lot of dressage and stuff, as I never heard of her till I met Celeste, she is the lady who has the only Red Friesian stallion. Pretty amazing woman actually)
http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/duke.html
I do not care for the blk/wht piebald gypsies as they are what most people think they are and are 'common'. I like the 'rare' colors to top off the great bloodlines/conformation/temperment :) Silver Dapples are my favorite!
I chose to breed to Sir Keith as he is such a rare color and even Celeste said she can't wait to see what the foal will look like out of my dark dappled haflinger mare, Flying Fancy. Celeste convinced me to breed to Duke for his all around presence! Her horses are AMAZING in person! St.Clarins is all over in a ton of magazine.
Celeste is a HIGHLY accreditied breeder and trainer of gypsies AND quarter horses (Imagine that she has 2 breeds that she specializes in AND she crosses them now and then IF they are a GOOD match) and she Approved both my mares! to which I felt very honored that she has apporoved them for her boys.
So I don't know why your getting all uptight, But your making it sound like I am breaking rules, and I am not, am I? I guess your just one of the few I can't please. That is ok. I love what I do, people love to see Rosie and want to get a haflinger after they see her. Isn't that what 'promoting' is all about? When I was at the EA no one even asked if she was papered or not. They went to the haflinger booth and took a ton of flyers and more information on the BREED because they saw the breed demo and the cowboy race...
sooooo...I hope I clarified where I stand. If not...sorry?
Is there something wrong with liking two breeds of horses?
Jennifer in cali
Where it was nice enough today to bathe a few horses Finally! got the mud off...oh and BTW STRONG believer in that Ezall horse wash. I let it soak on my muddy boys Including the haflinger gypsy colt who has tons of feathers, and it just disolved the mud! I didn't have to scrub them at all!
--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "kiolak" <kiolak@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry... but I can't believe that the people who know the whole story here are not saying anything. I have had it, and I have to speak out.
>
> Jennifer - you say you are promoting the breed. I say you are promoting yourself as a pretty good trainer. I will not disagree that you have done a nice job with Rosie. The thing is, you are not promoting the Haflinger breed. She is a unregistered, grade horse. You have nothing at all to prove that she is purebred.
>
> You would like to say you are promoting the Haflinger breed, but really by using Rosie you are telling folks that a grade horse is what they are after. You are not supporting the hardworking Haflinger breeders who dedicate themselves to inproving the breed and researching bloodlines and going through I&C by doing that. Being a responsible Haflinger breeder takes a lot of time and let's face it - money! That is why purebred Haflingers cost more.
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> You are encouraging people by your example to simply go out and buy a horse that is labled a Haflinger. Why should papers matter? Look how wonderful Rosie is. In today's economy, a bargain is a bargain and a lot of people are looking for it even with horses. The unpapered horses are usually cheaper.
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> ALSO, and this is a biggie... let's talk about WHAT breed of horse you really are breeding for!! Let's see... you own a Gypsy/Haflinger stud stallion as well as a Haflinger stallion. You are planning on breeding both of your registered Haflinger mares and your grade Haflinger mare to a Gypsy stallion. Sounds like you like into making feathered spotted crosses. Hmm... last I heard that was a pretty trendy breed.
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> Oh, and by the way... one of those home raised foals that you sold so easily this year was actually not sold at all but raffled off right?
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> Would you like to dispute any of the things I just said? I would appreciate it if you would please tell the truth to the people here. And DON'T tell me your brother has been writing things in your name again. No one's going to buy it this time.
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> ~Kiola~
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>
> --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "wapirose" <riatafaline@> wrote:
> >
> > I think as long as you not only have good quality haflingers/horses in general that are good BROKE horses the market will come back and people are still looking for good safe broke horses.
> >
> > As for who will breed haflingers, what about people like me, who discovered the haflinger 6 years ago with little Rosie, who now wants to promote them and get them known in my area? I now have a stallion and three mares, nothing big but it is a start. there are always young up and coming breeders, just like with anything. There will never NOT be breeders for any breed. We all love certian horses and will do what we can to promote them :)
> >
> > I am not worried about it at all. People see what I do with my horses and go "OMG I want one!" I easily sold 2 foals that I raised as people were impressed more with how they were trained for babies over their lineage. Get a GOOD horse, you won't want to get rid of it. For the most part anyways. Markets always go up and down, why worry about it when it is down when you really can't fix it, but just have to ride it out? I'll be breeding my three mares this year. Can't wait to see what those foals look like next year!!
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > Jennifer in cali
> > --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Rich-Lin" <rich-lin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jackie,'
> > > How is snowy Ohio??
> > > I think that most of us so called breeders, who use to have at least one stallion and many foals, and sold them at good prices, can NO longer still do that. with the prices sooo very low right now, unless a person is rich, they just can't afford to keep 25 or more, as we use to do.
> > > I have seen this coming for some time, and we are now down to just 4 geldings and one mare.
> > > All of my customers just want a family-type reliable, sound riding/driving horse. AT a reasonable price. No ones ever comes by to purchase a foal, and does not care about any special breeding of a stallion or mare.
> > > I just recently sold 2 mares at an extremely LOW price, when years ago, I have sold up to 30 haflingers per year... How times have changed.
> > > I think people are finally realizing this sad truth.
> > > Linda
> > > Rich-Lin Farm Haflingers NH
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: haflingerhorse@
> > > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:30 PM
> > > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Haflinger Breeders???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey everyone. In the past three days I have heard of two Haflinger breeders (they owned four or more mares) who are done with the Haflinger breed. One is completely finished, and the other is keeping a couple Haflingers but has purchased friesans. Even our farm, having 9 broodmares, and 6 foals last year, are now down to two foals coming and just two broodmares, we have sold or given away the others. Considering that only around 600 Haflinger foals were registered last year, as compared to at some points 2000 a year, it is to me, getting a bit scary. There aren't to many Haflinger breeders left only a handful that I know of who are still breeding. What is this breed to do? Do you think with the resulting 'shortage' of Haflingers that will be coming in the next 2-3 years, the prices will go back up? Or, are you afraid (as I am) that the breeders are getting out, but the backyard breeders will continue and the quality of the breed will suffer?
> > > I pose this as a discussion only, I am not surprised with these breeders getting out, as we have drastically cut back from our highest number of Haflingers at 38, down to 10 Haflingers total. I am just a bit worried as to if the breeders are leaving, where it will leave our beloved Haflinger, and in who's hands?
> > >
> > > Jacque in Ohio
> > > Woodward Performance Haflingers
> > > www.hfbhaflingers.com
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> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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