Sunday, February 28, 2010

[haflingerfriends] Hoping

Here I am drinking a fresh pot of coffee, hoping she has the baby tonight and then hoping she waits 1 more week to perhaps warmer weather. Hoping everything goes ok and if not, hoping the Vet can get here quick. I sure wish I had anyone of you here with me tonight, all the experience, many with foaling. I have zero experience with foaling, I have read and reread many of the posts here and many web sites in the hope of educating myself well enough to be of some help to the "girls". I am thinking Missy will be tonight or tomorrow night. She still hasn't made a big bag, but she is swollen, longer and well I would say she looks loose?. She also has that look: get this out of me. I stroke her neck and tell her I know just how she feels and have been there too. I know she doesn't understand the words but I like to think she understands the tone of my voice to mean it will be ok, hang in there. Anyway here's to hoping.

Stacey in Iowa

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Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: OT/Book

"Chosen by a Horse" by Susan Richards is another good horse/woman-grappling-with-middle-age book. Loved her sense of humor. Warning: This book has made people cry.

Marilyn

P.S. Were any of you Black Stallion fans when you were kids? I was. The books; not the movie. Tho' I loved the first movie.


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Thanks for sharing this information. I can't wait to read both of these books. By then, Dawn may have written her's (hint, hint).
Laura in Cal.

--- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Sue" <sholland91@ ...> wrote:
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> Julie, I read that book too, and loved it. I also read the book the author wrote before it called The Glass Castle, which is really good, too. The author, Jeannette Walls, has horses herself. I checked out her website and she has some videos on YouTube that were filmed at her ranch in New York.
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> Sue Holland
> Shadow Hills, CA
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> --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, Julie Wilson <wilsonjz@> wrote:
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> > Sorry for your loss Dawn but I sure enjoy reading your posts. Even in the event of this loss, your horses are incredibly lucky to have the freedom you are able to allow them. Don't beat yourself up, s__t does happen now and then.Â
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> > Slightly off the topic, I have to comment that I just finished a great book last night called "Half Broke Horses" by Jeannette Walls, a true life story of the author's grandmother who grew up in the western united states through the earlier 1900's. Getting to read a book now and then is a guilty pleasure for me because life can be so busy, but, haflinger friend ladies everywhere would enjoy it - I swear. Besides that, as I read your posts this morning Dawn, I feel like they are a continuation of that very book I just finished.
> > Â
> > In the meantime, keep on trucking Dawn, spring time is on the way!
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> > Julie in snowy SE MI
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> > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@ > wrote:
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> > From: rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@ >
> > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: First 2010 Foal at Rivervalley is tragic...
> > To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:14 AM
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> > Hi Everyone,
> > Thanks for your kind words. I understand that you all have a "solution" to this, as I think the same at times, then I realize, it is how it is at this point. Donkeys don't work for us. There is actually a Llama farm up here and they too loose them to the nasty critters that are hungry. However, what I failed to tell you, sorry, is that the mares, young and older (bred mares and young stock) are out there with over 60 head of cows and they are not on my land. This is winter pasture I have for helping haying, with cattle, ect. for the neihbors throughout the summer and winter months. It is really a blessing in saving my hay cost as the neihbors are feeding them as well. So, putting other critters with them would make an issue, besides, honestly it could have happened right here too.
> > However, I do appreciate the ideas and yes I have thought many times over about the same things. I however have two good big dogs that protect them when they are home and at the least let me know when something is wrong that they can't take on. But still, they were not home, and the mare was "early" as I wasn't sure when she got bred. The studs got out more than once last year....and all the other unwanted mares that got bred were aborted if I thought they got bred. However, I did not think this mare got bred until a few months ago I noticed she was wider than usual for an open mare. But as for when, well I seriously thought it was a later foal. The other mares that I did breed on purpose, two for sure are bred, are not bagged up at all and are not due till next month, which I know is just around the corner.
> > So, here I am. Still hurt, mad a bit, and feeling terrible for my mare. She is a super mom and I hope she settles down and eats soon. Now the other point I forgot to mention is that another mare was by her side when I found her. The other mare would run to the me then to her and when I took the foal, she followed and hollered as much as the mare whose foal it was. Neat to see how mothernature works some times. The other mare took her back up the mountain to feed and hopefully she helps her. Now the other strange thing is that mare is not even mine, she is however a mare I saved this summer for the neihbor as she ripped her shoulder out and I spent 4 hours sewing her up layer at a time. She was never socible to me after that- haha- but yesterday she was the first to tell me and show me where Folly was. She stuck to her like glue the whole time and that is really neat.
> > Just a few months back I had a now coming two year old gelding get attacked by a cat or a bear we think as he was run through fences and found in another pasture, down, and hurt severely. We had spent days looking for this colt, knowing he was misssing, and i decided not to put him down but spend the money and time to doctor him. He is home, in a corral in the back of the "little old barn" (one of three barns here) and healing is still super slow, but much better then he was. I do not know if he will be 100% sound yet or not, as I do not ask him to trot or do much still. Just doctor away. But my point is that I still feel (and this could be wrong) that the horses are better off out in mountain pasture to grow and mature, get excercise and learn and when there is problems then I begin to wonder if i am right. However, I have seen many cripples in pens and overfed and under excercised, so what is better? The horses that make it are far better off I
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> > The only way to make it better, if the other horses weren't out there would be to put the stud with them. Last year I had the studs and geldings up there and no one got hurt. Merl takes care of buisiness! But even now I don't know that he could have saved the colt for Folly. Will never know. But like I said I will be bringing them home, as planned, within the week I hope- I moved the date ahead! I did want the bred mares home for foaling as it is hard to find them up there. Miles of pastures, streams, beds, up and down country, ect. make it hard to find one if they go off.
> > Anyway..thanks for letting me share....ramble. ...whatever I just did! I will be back later. Need to go work on fences, thpough it is 1 degree and the wind is blowing our foot and a half of snow everywhere! YUCK!
> > Later,
> > Sincerely,
> > Dawn
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> > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Molly McD" <mollymcdonald@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Oh Dawn, I'm so sorry! You're right, that life is not for everyone.... .you're one tough cookie! That must have been awful!! Don't think for a minute that anyone thinks you "bored" us with your story, and don't apologize for sharing, let us share your burden. Write again about the same thing as needed, it'll help to talk about it.
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Another Hurdle Cleared!

Oh, I would never laugh, Denny! If you are having a low confidence moment I think you should do what I did. Pin up a picture of Denny riding a beautiful Haflinger in the snow Bareback! It worked for me! That photo is still on the bulletin board at the barn, but now, under where I had written "Marlene's Goas for 2010" someone wrote in "Goal met in February!"
I rode with two friends in the arena today and had such a wonderful time. Mounting was easy today and accomplished much more quickly than yesterday. The saddle didn't move and neither did Charlie. After about an hour the gals asked if I would like to venture outside and down the long driveway. I was a little unsure, but said yes. It required riding out of the barn about 10 feet before being outside. I've led Charlie those same 10 feet hundreds of times but as I rode I kept thinking,"okay, is there anything there that will spook him?" Then I realized that Charlie had to be thinking, "okay.....she's acting nervous, there must be something there that will spook me." I decided to be bold and we got through that 10 feet just fine! The great outdoors sure did look big all of a sudden, but we rode down the driveway for a few minutes until we saw the barn owner approach on her tractor. I decided to head back in and finish up in the arena, just in case. All in all it was a really good time and we all enjoyed each other's company.
Keep wearing those riding clothes Denny, next thing you know you'll be using them for what their intended.
Marlene in Sunny (for a minute) Oregon
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> It makes me smile everytime I read one of your updates about d=riding Charlie, because it seems that I've taken all those steps along the way. I still don't trust saddles not to slip around, especially on Fancy as she is darn near circular, but can't even trust it on Mr G who actually has withers.
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> Keep the updates coming, at the moment I'm trying to get inspiration from your stories, because I find myself 'ground bound' again, and for no good reason. Don't laugh but I've taken to wearing my riding clothes around the house, just to try and get into the mindset, but can't help wondering how I'm going to get on these youngsters when I can't even get on Fancy?
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[haflingerfriends] Re: First 2010 Foal at Rivervalley is tragic...

Yes you do, and I've posted pics of him in the Fancy Ely folder so you can see the big lump. I love him dearly, but he is due to be backed very soon, as soon as I take this chicken suit off and get on him, and then he will be sold. He's going to make a great family horse.

Denny in slightly warmer Saskatchewan

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[haflingerfriends] New York Gold Classic Haflinger Show information

Hello,

I am sending you our complete information for the New York Gold Classic so that you can take what you want and hopefully advertise it to other fellow Haflinger owners and enthusiasts.  Let's make this the best New York Gold Classic yet! 

Hope you can make it!

If you have any questions please let us know.

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[haflingerfriends] Re: OT/Book

Good point Laura,

While the weather is bad, do what you need to outside, then start writing that book Dawn.

Denny

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "lauraafana" <quiltedpony@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for sharing this information. I can't wait to read both of these books. By then, Dawn may have written her's (hint, hint).
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Another Hurdle Cleared!

It makes me smile everytime I read one of your updates about d=riding Charlie, because it seems that I've taken all those steps along the way. I still don't trust saddles not to slip around, especially on Fancy as she is darn near circular, but can't even trust it on Mr G who actually has withers.

Keep the updates coming, at the moment I'm trying to get inspiration from your stories, because I find myself 'ground bound' again, and for no good reason. Don't laugh but I've taken to wearing my riding clothes around the house, just to try and get into the mindset, but can't help wondering how I'm going to get on these youngsters when I can't even get on Fancy?

Denny in Saskatchewan where the snow seems to be melting

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "sassyme808" <sassyme808@...> wrote:
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> As terrific as it has been finally riding Charlie, and having wonderful lessons on him, I still had one hurdle yet to clear. I had still been having someone stand by Charlie when I mounted and putting pressure on the opposite stirrup because I was afraid the saddle would slip. The trainer tried to work me through it last week and I just wasn't ready. Well, today I decided it was time to "cowboy up" and just do it. He had suggested that a breast collar may help so I dug it out and put it on Charlie when I tacked up. I use a mounting block because he's a big tall boy (15.2 hands! and yes, a registered Haffie.) He stood like a statue and I was up in no time. The saddle didn't budge. I don't know if the breast collar really helped, or if it was in my mind. A friend of mine was riding her sweet little Arabian and we had a wonderful time. Something interesting though.....Charlie was acting tired and I could tell he was ready to quit. When I prepared to dismount he nickered! It startled me and I didn't dismount.....and when I again prepared to dismount he nickered again! I guess he was telling me that he was happy to unload me?! My DH tried to get a good picture of me sitting on him. If they are decent I'll post one.
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Another Hurdle Cleared!

That is funny! I am dismounting in a different place every time so he doesn't think that getting near the tacking area automatically means that we are through. I have also discovered that Charlie can tell time. His training sessions and my lessons have typically been an hour long and I notice that at the end of an hour he starts giving me the signals that "time's up." Last week I rode for about 10 minutes longer after the lesson since the next student was still tacking up and Charlie let me know that he thought it was time to be done. He doesn't get stubborn or fight with me, he just "pretends" I gave him the "whoa" cue, or walks at a snail's pace. Yesterday my friend let me know every time she was going to trot her horse in case Charlie wanted to follow suit without being cued.....but I observed that when her horse trotted, Charlie walked (or trotted when asked)even more slowly, as if he thought that Sunny was working hard enough for both of them. Always thinking!
Marlene in Oregon

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>  Too funny! you know, he may have been doing just that. We have had horses walk you over to the mounting block and stop as if saying " ok....you can get off now" lol!
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Rivervalley update...

Hello Dawn,

I read your posts and then went to your website and read the poem which was on Stormy's legacy - I have tears running down my face as I type this...

I know that when we invite these magnificent creatures into our lives and our hearts - heartache surely comes - eventually. We lost two foals last year - (I am a manager on a small (aternate breed) farm and had to put onewn last spring -and another died in the pasture for undetermined reasons (even though we DID a necropsy we still don't know what killed her) and also put two older mares down this past fall - was NOT a good year! We of course have others but each one leaves their hoofprints on your heart - surely as your newborn foal did.

God Bless You -

Barbara - KY

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> Well today was no exception to the rule of a bad week around here!
> Lets se....were to start...oh ya..I woke up! Just kidding. Anyway, what did I do stupid this morning? Backed my pu over a T post to start with, yup- tore a chunk out of my step thing...scrathched the truck too. Oh well, now later this evening (the day was ok, showed haflingers off today) I went to get in the pu to go to town and pick up the neihbors kid as a ride home was in need right? Ya- the tire was flat! Air it up you say...well that would be good if I could get the generator started for the aircompressor- but its froze up cause its cold! So, I get a wee little bit of air in it that was in the tank and drive to town real slow like...go to the tire place to get my tire fixed right? Not! Their closed. Put air in then....nope, no hose. Go to a different store, can't find a gauge, so eye ball it- get air in it- get the kid home and me home....low and behold I found the leak- a bad one I think from running over the T post probibly. So- it'll be flat again soon! YIPPY! Hoping that the aircompressor will start tomorrow- or I'll be feeding with horses I guess, except the broke ones are not home for the most part. Now...this evening..hopefully the shower works! AND my bed is ready for me company! I'm ready. Why can't I just have a normal, good, hassel free, no problems kinda day?!
> Hope this makes someone laugh.....
> ~Dawn
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> > > Hi My hafinger friends. I am sad to announce that the first foal for 2010 at Rivervalley lost life within minutes of birth. Due to my own neglect, the mares are up in high country still, this mare was early in foaling, went off by the river bed to foal and the d*^m coyotes killed it within minutes of birth. What a hard hit. I think I will get the fences fixed NOW and bring the girls home asap. None are bagged up other than her, who barely has a bag even now. But I want them home and I want the coyotes dead! And the wolves! And whatever else wants to eat my foals! I'm frustrated, angry and sad, though this was not a planned breeding, I new the mare was bred and it is upsetting none the less. I do not mean to bore you with tragidy, just feeling stupid and mad at myself for not getting her home earlier. Anyway, I loaded the foal in the truck and raced it out of over a mile of pasture while mom followed and whinnied and that is a real tear jerker I'll tell ya. I couldn't leave it to be eaten by the nasty as.wh.pes, and have her not go to feed at all, so this way maybe she will settle down in a few days before I move them home. Not sure what to do with baby. Just want to take a 30-30 and shoot the sorry ..... to peices. He even had the nerve to stand just off aways and watch me load it! Urrrr. Well, hopefully this will be the end of our losses for this year and things will brighten up from here on out.
> > > I don't mean to sound harsh but in our country tough is as tough gets unfortunately. I do regret not getting them home, but even a few years ago we had a cat trying to kill our foals right here in our foaling pasture close to the house. This life may not be for everyone I guess and sometimes I have to dig to find a way to make this work for me too. But, we just keep going I guess. Though we will never know why, we will know it wasn't ment to be. It sucks and hurts but I don't know how else to look at it without bawling. Yes Denny, it was sired by Alto to be this early. Sorry.
> > > Thanks for listening my friends....
> > > Dawn
> > > Rivervalley Ranch
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Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!

Hi Haflinger Friends!
I am wondering about something...well a few things. I am new to all of this. I bought a mare (actually two) recently and one is classified silver. My question is, does this classification process happen only once in their life? If so what age is it supposed to happen at? Any info would be appreciated.
   BTW due to the economy I got a really good deal on both my mares, from a breeder going out of business. I am not a breeder, I just love the haflinger and so do my girls so will show them at 4H, ride them and learn to drive. No one knows what the future holds I hope to keep them their entire lives!

Thanks for any knowledge shared!
Cate in MN


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From: K Garriott <kagarriott@yahoo.com>
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 9:47:16 AM
Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!

 
  Peggy, Amen to that!
 
  I can not for the life of me figure out why people are still breeding at all in the awful mess the horse industry currently is in. Its like they dont believe what others see and they are being told over and over. It does not look to be getting better anytime soon either, and if the Humanics and PETAphiles get their way and it comes to the time when there are zero kill buyers at those sales it will be getting far, far, worse here in the US than it even is now.
 
  From having spent many, many, years at the auctions I also think it prudent to mention here that what appeared to be decent prices being brought for the registered stock there could have easily been bi-bidding ( fake & phony as all get out) in an effort as the horse traders put it "see if we can hook us a dummy" At auction when prices are high, dont believe everything you see, or better yet, dont believe any of it.

 
 Here is just one example of the undisputed truth out there.
 
Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:05 am (PST)

Heartbreaking- abandoned horses- CNN reports

<http://www.cnn. com/video/ ?/video/us/ 2010/02/22/ ruiz.fl.abandone d.horses. wsvn>
 
Note that these are not "wild" horses, but domesticated ones that have been left to fend for themselves as if they were "wild". Look at the Paint horse in the picture!!!!! That horse could easily be registered with the Pinto Horse Association. Does he look like a horse that would be "dumped"???? Ask yourself that question, then ask yourself if it makes any sense to be breeding at all.
 
Karen G www.princesscarriag e.com

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From: halfboxtwo@aol. com <halfboxtwo@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!
To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 8:06 PM

 

> Your little cross is adorable big time.
>

Just getting time to read e-mails and this sentence rings true as to what
I saw today ... I went to the first Horse sale in my area for the year, I
went looking for puppies as we lost our dear old dog Jet the blue heeler and
Rick wants another one or two

There is a gal that usually sells blue heeler pups at the horse sale so off
I went to check out the sale yard ... it was good to see that the horses
were in good shape and many had been well cared for this winter ...

Speaking of crosses: there was a welsh/haflinger cross gelding a two year
old that was presented in the sale. He was blondish/reddish color. the owner
was from the Sandpoint Idaho area.

This cute gelding had the body and mane and tail of a haflinger but a more
refined head and a really nice neck. He was not started under saddle being
so young but sad to say since he was a cross, he got almost no bids at all
and then when a few started bidding he only brought pocket change ... it was
terrible.
I want those of you that want to breed your haflingers to other breeds to p
lease think about this little gelding.
He was cute as a button but NO ONE WANTED HIM ... he was a cross with no
training. I had to leave, just so I would make sure not to try to buy him
...

yes, the kill buyers were there, and the last thing the man leading him
said as I was leaving that he would not take him home he was there to sell no
matter what. So again those of you that think you can improve on the breed by
crossing it out to something just because you want too well think about it
again ... Sad to say I bet the owner never even cared .... Prices on
registered horses were pretty good. many went for over $1500.00 to $1850.00
But the horses that were not registered went for next to NOTHING .... A
cross bred Hanoverian mare that was lovely sold for only $75.00 so again folks
please think before you breed ... it isn't worth it to just "see " what you
can get ... be sure you have a market for the horses you want to raise. Okay
I know that none of you want to hear this but again I ask for you to really
be sure you can support that horse and it's foal for the next 25 years if
you plan on breeding it. Peggy in eastern Wash.

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[haflingerfriends] Re: OT-Birthday (response to Hay Net)

Hi Marilyn,

I was reading through new posts and caught the hay net question - I have slow feed hay nets I use w/ my Cinderella - I got them for about $10 bucks from Smith Brothers Western Store - www.smithbrothers.com - another gal on this site recommended them and now I have 4 - I use them day and night for my horse -

Barbara - KY


--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Mitchell <marilynmitchell61@...> wrote:
>
> Leiana,
>
> Well, happy birthday to you and Mitch! :)
>
> That reminds me, is the hay net still working out as well as it did in the beginning. Mitchell is eating slower and is happier...less "starved" at meal time? Can you give me the name of the net maker and what size holes, if applicable?
>
> Marilyn the Sac
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: LeianaF <leianafurlong@...>
> To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 7:28:18 AM
> Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: OT-Birthday
>
>
> My birthday is coming up (Wednesday! - 3 days, yay!) and my family's actually going to be out of town. :( Mom did offer to take me down to Buena Park though next weekend, and we'd go to Medieval Times for a show.
>
> Mitch's birthday is the 2nd (the day before mine, how cool is that?) so I'm hoping to make him a cake of some kind. Anyone got a low/no-sugar horse cake recipe?
>
> It's raining down here, so I could suggest a movie or something.
>
> --
> Leiana and Mitch, the soon-to-be Birthday Duo in rainy CA
>
> --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "wapirose" <riatafaline@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Ok my mom and friends keep asking me what I want to for my birthday tomorrow, since it is pouring rain right now I know I won't be able to get my trailer out tomorrow to go riding, so hmmm, what else does someone do on their birthdays? I'll go eat at Bubba's BBQ as I get to eat for free!! hehe...bring on that rack of ribs if they are FREE! lol
> >
> > Any suggestions from my haffy friends? lol my mom really wants to DO something with me and I just can't think of something right now that mom's and daughters can do together...what do you mom's out there like to do with your daughters?
> >
> > Jennifer in cali - who's getting teased now about pushing 30. hehehe
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Another Hurdle Cleared!

Hi Marlene -

I feel that way EVERY time I go to mount - I typically grab a handful of mane to help me - and Cindy is very good about it. I wonder if the saddle will slip and sometimes it 'shifts' but I'll usually step in the right stirrup when it does.

In response to the post about the horses walking back to the mounting block - Cindy too tells me (but I don't typically listen!) to when it's 'time to get off'...she simply STOPS! We are working beyond that however - and I love that there's not alot of 'fight' to this lovely breed! You can't blame a horse for trying!


Barbara - KY

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> As terrific as it has been finally riding Charlie, and having wonderful lessons on him, I still had one hurdle yet to clear. I had still been having someone stand by Charlie when I mounted and putting pressure on the opposite stirrup because I was afraid the saddle would slip. The trainer tried to work me through it last week and I just wasn't ready. Well, today I decided it was time to "cowboy up" and just do it. He had suggested that a breast collar may help so I dug it out and put it on Charlie when I tacked up. I use a mounting block because he's a big tall boy (15.2 hands! and yes, a registered Haffie.) He stood like a statue and I was up in no time. The saddle didn't budge. I don't know if the breast collar really helped, or if it was in my mind. A friend of mine was riding her sweet little Arabian and we had a wonderful time. Something interesting though.....Charlie was acting tired and I could tell he was ready to quit. When I prepared to dismount he nickered! It startled me and I didn't dismount.....and when I again prepared to dismount he nickered again! I guess he was telling me that he was happy to unload me?! My DH tried to get a good picture of me sitting on him. If they are decent I'll post one.
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[haflingerfriends] Re: RFD programming

I have cable but NO RFDTV - what a BUMMER!

Barbara - KY

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Jones" <smjones@...> wrote:
>
> www.rfdtv.com
>
> On the RFD TV website, there is a survey for which Satellite provider you
> have. I suspect they are trying to determine where the majority of viewers
> get their signal - to help them in negotiating their contract... I did take
> the survey and got this message at the end:
>
> "Thank you for your participation - RFD-TV will now send you news and
> information about upcoming announcements with DISH Network and/or DIRECTV as
> they become available, and will keep you informed about free upgrades and/or
> special programming announcements that may become available."
>
> Stephanie
> in Elma, WA
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[haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!

Thanks for your voice Peggy. I think alot of people don't want to think about what is going on out there. That's why I only have one haflinger. As much as I would like to have more, I get concerned about my future and my horse's. I know I can handle the expenses of one if I'm not living on our 37 acres. Maybe that comes with my age and exeriences. I don't need to be in a pickle. Without going on and on, thanks.
Laura and Scharly
Cal.


--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, halfboxtwo@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/28/10 8:00:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> kagarriott@... writes:
>
> > I cannot for the life of me figure out why people are still breeding at
> > all in the awful mess the horse industry currently is in.
>
> Well, I am so glad you agree and see what is happening!
>
> Thank you for your voice in this matter ....
>
> I called my friend who works at the sale barn and asked her if she knew
> what the gelding sold for could she look up what happened to him, so she did,
> and get this folks, he sold for only $35.00!
> That is what it cost to put him in the sale so the owner got nothing for
> this cute gelding cross bred haflinger/welsh. And to top it off they had to
> drive three hours to get to the sale with him so add that into the cost of
> selling or should I say giving him away ... Not to mention that they had to
> have a health cert and coggins done as they were from Idaho and this sale was
> in Wash.
>
> Now to me that is insane ... This gelding had been fed right, was in good
> health, had his feet trimmed had all his shots and they had the vet records
> showing when he had been gelded and what vet clinic took care of him, etc.,
> just to get this horse to this age and to care for him properly cost that
> owner over $500.00 and that is all he brought at the sale was $35.00 ...
> a family did end up buying him for their kids but there again that is a
> mistake ... he is not a kids horses yet and won't be for several years.
> So my friend said that he was the second lowest selling horse there. And
> only one foundered pony brought less.
> So my point is: please do not breed to try to produce any horse you cannot
> keep for the horses entire life.
> The times are changing we all see it,
> there are too many horses already born, unless you are in a financial
> position to afford to feed that horse for the next 25 years then don't breed.
>
> I know some of you will delete this and say I am being too opinionated but
> the facts are there in every mag. in every feed store in every ad for
> horses there are so few buyers. And so many horses that need new homes. Do not
> make the value of this Haflinger breed go down the tube by out-crossing, do
> not raise a haflinger cross that is not going to be worth anything.
> Own this breed with pride, be selective, so the haflinger is held in high
> regard and wanted and cherished.
> Peggy in eastern Wash.
>
>
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RE: [haflingerfriends] RFD programming

www.rfdtv.com

On the RFD TV website, there is a survey for which Satellite provider you
have. I suspect they are trying to determine where the majority of viewers
get their signal - to help them in negotiating their contract... I did take
the survey and got this message at the end:

"Thank you for your participation - RFD-TV will now send you news and
information about upcoming announcements with DISH Network and/or DIRECTV as
they become available, and will keep you informed about free upgrades and/or
special programming announcements that may become available."

Stephanie
in Elma, WA

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Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!

In a message dated 2/28/10 8:00:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kagarriott@yahoo.com writes:

> I cannot for the life of me figure out why people are still breeding at
> all in the awful mess the horse industry currently is in.

Well, I am so glad you agree and see what is happening!

Thank you for your voice in this matter ....

I called my friend who works at the sale barn and asked her if she knew
what the gelding sold for could she look up what happened to him, so she did,
and get this folks, he sold for only $35.00!
That is what it cost to put him in the sale so the owner got nothing for
this cute gelding cross bred haflinger/welsh. And to top it off they had to
drive three hours to get to the sale with him so add that into the cost of
selling or should I say giving him away ... Not to mention that they had to
have a health cert and coggins done as they were from Idaho and this sale was
in Wash.

Now to me that is insane ... This gelding had been fed right, was in good
health, had his feet trimmed had all his shots and they had the vet records
showing when he had been gelded and what vet clinic took care of him, etc.,
just to get this horse to this age and to care for him properly cost that
owner over $500.00 and that is all he brought at the sale was $35.00 ...
a family did end up buying him for their kids but there again that is a
mistake ... he is not a kids horses yet and won't be for several years.
So my friend said that he was the second lowest selling horse there. And
only one foundered pony brought less.
So my point is: please do not breed to try to produce any horse you cannot
keep for the horses entire life.
The times are changing we all see it,
there are too many horses already born, unless you are in a financial
position to afford to feed that horse for the next 25 years then don't breed.

I know some of you will delete this and say I am being too opinionated but
the facts are there in every mag. in every feed store in every ad for
horses there are so few buyers. And so many horses that need new homes. Do not
make the value of this Haflinger breed go down the tube by out-crossing, do
not raise a haflinger cross that is not going to be worth anything.
Own this breed with pride, be selective, so the haflinger is held in high
regard and wanted and cherished.
Peggy in eastern Wash.


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[haflingerfriends] Re: OT/Book

Thanks for sharing this information. I can't wait to read both of these books. By then, Dawn may have written her's (hint, hint).
Laura in Cal.

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Sue" <sholland91@...> wrote:
>
> Julie, I read that book too, and loved it. I also read the book the author wrote before it called The Glass Castle, which is really good, too. The author, Jeannette Walls, has horses herself. I checked out her website and she has some videos on YouTube that were filmed at her ranch in New York.
>
> Sue Holland
> Shadow Hills, CA
>
>
>
> --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, Julie Wilson <wilsonjz@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for your loss Dawn but I sure enjoy reading your posts. Even in the event of this loss, your horses are incredibly lucky to have the freedom you are able to allow them. Don't beat yourself up, s__t does happen now and then. 
> >  
> > Slightly off the topic, I have to comment that I just finished a great book last night called "Half Broke Horses" by Jeannette Walls, a true life story of the author's grandmother who grew up in the western united states through the earlier 1900's. Getting to read a book now and then is a guilty pleasure for me because life can be so busy, but, haflinger friend ladies everywhere would enjoy it - I swear. Besides that, as I read your posts this morning Dawn, I feel like they are a continuation of that very book I just finished.
> >  
> > In the meantime, keep on trucking Dawn, spring time is on the way!
> >  
> > Julie in snowy SE MI
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@>
> > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: First 2010 Foal at Rivervalley is tragic...
> > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:14 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Thanks for your kind words. I understand that you all have a "solution" to this, as I think the same at times, then I realize, it is how it is at this point. Donkeys don't work for us. There is actually a Llama farm up here and they too loose them to the nasty critters that are hungry. However, what I failed to tell you, sorry, is that the mares, young and older (bred mares and young stock) are out there with over 60 head of cows and they are not on my land. This is winter pasture I have for helping haying, with cattle, ect. for the neihbors throughout the summer and winter months. It is really a blessing in saving my hay cost as the neihbors are feeding them as well. So, putting other critters with them would make an issue, besides, honestly it could have happened right here too.
> > However, I do appreciate the ideas and yes I have thought many times over about the same things. I however have two good big dogs that protect them when they are home and at the least let me know when something is wrong that they can't take on. But still, they were not home, and the mare was "early" as I wasn't sure when she got bred. The studs got out more than once last year....and all the other unwanted mares that got bred were aborted if I thought they got bred. However, I did not think this mare got bred until a few months ago I noticed she was wider than usual for an open mare. But as for when, well I seriously thought it was a later foal. The other mares that I did breed on purpose, two for sure are bred, are not bagged up at all and are not due till next month, which I know is just around the corner.
> > So, here I am. Still hurt, mad a bit, and feeling terrible for my mare. She is a super mom and I hope she settles down and eats soon. Now the other point I forgot to mention is that another mare was by her side when I found her. The other mare would run to the me then to her and when I took the foal, she followed and hollered as much as the mare whose foal it was. Neat to see how mothernature works some times. The other mare took her back up the mountain to feed and hopefully she helps her. Now the other strange thing is that mare is not even mine, she is however a mare I saved this summer for the neihbor as she ripped her shoulder out and I spent 4 hours sewing her up layer at a time. She was never socible to me after that- haha- but yesterday she was the first to tell me and show me where Folly was. She stuck to her like glue the whole time and that is really neat.
> > Just a few months back I had a now coming two year old gelding get attacked by a cat or a bear we think as he was run through fences and found in another pasture, down, and hurt severely. We had spent days looking for this colt, knowing he was misssing, and i decided not to put him down but spend the money and time to doctor him. He is home, in a corral in the back of the "little old barn" (one of three barns here) and healing is still super slow, but much better then he was. I do not know if he will be 100% sound yet or not, as I do not ask him to trot or do much still. Just doctor away. But my point is that I still feel (and this could be wrong) that the horses are better off out in mountain pasture to grow and mature, get excercise and learn and when there is problems then I begin to wonder if i am right. However, I have seen many cripples in pens and overfed and under excercised, so what is better? The horses that make it are far better off I think.
> > The only way to make it better, if the other horses weren't out there would be to put the stud with them. Last year I had the studs and geldings up there and no one got hurt. Merl takes care of buisiness! But even now I don't know that he could have saved the colt for Folly. Will never know. But like I said I will be bringing them home, as planned, within the week I hope- I moved the date ahead! I did want the bred mares home for foaling as it is hard to find them up there. Miles of pastures, streams, beds, up and down country, ect. make it hard to find one if they go off.
> > Anyway..thanks for letting me share....ramble. ...whatever I just did! I will be back later. Need to go work on fences, thpough it is 1 degree and the wind is blowing our foot and a half of snow everywhere! YUCK!
> > Later,
> > Sincerely,
> > Dawn
> >
> > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Molly McD" <mollymcdonald@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Oh Dawn, I'm so sorry! You're right, that life is not for everyone.... .you're one tough cookie! That must have been awful!! Don't think for a minute that anyone thinks you "bored" us with your story, and don't apologize for sharing, let us share your burden. Write again about the same thing as needed, it'll help to talk about it.
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> > > Molly in Ohio
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Re: [haflingerfriends] Another Hurdle Cleared!

 Too funny! you know, he may have been doing just that. We have had horses walk you over to the mounting block and stop as if saying " ok....you can get off now" lol!
Karen G www-princesscarriage.com

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From: sassyme808 <sassyme808@yahoo.com>
Subject: [haflingerfriends] Another Hurdle Cleared!
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:29 PM


 

As terrific as it has been finally riding Charlie, and having wonderful lessons on him, I still had one hurdle yet to clear. I had still been having someone stand by Charlie when I mounted and putting pressure on the opposite stirrup because I was afraid the saddle would slip. The trainer tried to work me through it last week and I just wasn't ready. Well, today I decided it was time to "cowboy up" and just do it. He had suggested that a breast collar may help so I dug it out and put it on Charlie when I tacked up. I use a mounting block because he's a big tall boy (15.2 hands! and yes, a registered Haffie.) He stood like a statue and I was up in no time. The saddle didn't budge. I don't know if the breast collar really helped, or if it was in my mind. A friend of mine was riding her sweet little Arabian and we had a wonderful time. Something interesting though.....Charlie was acting tired and I could tell he was ready to quit. When I prepared to
dismount he nickered! It startled me and I didn't dismount.... .and when I again prepared to dismount he nickered again! I guess he was telling me that he was happy to unload me?! My DH tried to get a good picture of me sitting on him. If they are decent I'll post one.
Marlene in Oregon

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Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!

  Peggy, Amen to that!
 
  I can not for the life of me figure out why people are still breeding at all in the awful mess the horse industry currently is in. Its like they dont believe what others see and they are being told over and over. It does not look to be getting better anytime soon either, and if the Humanics and PETAphiles get their way and it comes to the time when there are zero kill buyers at those sales it will be getting far, far, worse here in the US than it even is now.
 
  From having spent many, many, years at the auctions I also think it prudent to mention here that what appeared to be decent prices being brought for the registered stock there could have easily been bi-bidding ( fake & phony as all get out) in an effort as the horse traders put it "see if we can hook us a dummy" At auction when prices are high, dont believe everything you see, or better yet, dont believe any of it.

 
 Here is just one example of the undisputed truth out there.
 
Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:05 am (PST)

Heartbreaking-abandoned horses- CNN reports

<http://www.cnn. com/video/ ?/video/us/ 2010/02/22/ ruiz.fl.abandone d.horses. wsvn>
 
Note that these are not "wild" horses, but domesticated ones that have been left to fend for themselves as if they were "wild". Look at the Paint horse in the picture!!!!! That horse could easily be registered with the Pinto Horse Association. Does he look like a horse that would be "dumped"???? Ask yourself that question, then ask yourself if it makes any sense to be breeding at all.
 
Karen G www.princesscarriage.com

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From: halfboxtwo@aol.com <halfboxtwo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Almost spring!
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 8:06 PM


 

> Your little cross is adorable big time.
>

Just getting time to read e-mails and this sentence rings true as to what
I saw today ... I went to the first Horse sale in my area for the year, I
went looking for puppies as we lost our dear old dog Jet the blue heeler and
Rick wants another one or two

There is a gal that usually sells blue heeler pups at the horse sale so off
I went to check out the sale yard ... it was good to see that the horses
were in good shape and many had been well cared for this winter ...

Speaking of crosses: there was a welsh/haflinger cross gelding a two year
old that was presented in the sale. He was blondish/reddish color. the owner
was from the Sandpoint Idaho area.

This cute gelding had the body and mane and tail of a haflinger but a more
refined head and a really nice neck. He was not started under saddle being
so young but sad to say since he was a cross, he got almost no bids at all
and then when a few started bidding he only brought pocket change ... it was
terrible.
I want those of you that want to breed your haflingers to other breeds to p
lease think about this little gelding.
He was cute as a button but NO ONE WANTED HIM ... he was a cross with no
training. I had to leave, just so I would make sure not to try to buy him
...

yes, the kill buyers were there, and the last thing the man leading him
said as I was leaving that he would not take him home he was there to sell no
matter what. So again those of you that think you can improve on the breed by
crossing it out to something just because you want too well think about it
again ... Sad to say I bet the owner never even cared .... Prices on
registered horses were pretty good. many went for over $1500.00 to $1850.00
But the horses that were not registered went for next to NOTHING .... A
cross bred Hanoverian mare that was lovely sold for only $75.00 so again folks
please think before you breed ... it isn't worth it to just "see " what you
can get ... be sure you have a market for the horses you want to raise. Okay
I know that none of you want to hear this but again I ask for you to really
be sure you can support that horse and it's foal for the next 25 years if
you plan on breeding it. Peggy in eastern Wash.

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[haflingerfriends] Re: OT/Book

Julie, I read that book too, and loved it. I also read the book the author wrote before it called The Glass Castle, which is really good, too. The author, Jeannette Walls, has horses herself. I checked out her website and she has some videos on YouTube that were filmed at her ranch in New York.

Sue Holland
Shadow Hills, CA

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, Julie Wilson <wilsonjz@...> wrote:
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> Sorry for your loss Dawn but I sure enjoy reading your posts. Even in the event of this loss, your horses are incredibly lucky to have the freedom you are able to allow them. Don't beat yourself up, s__t does happen now and then. 
>  
> Slightly off the topic, I have to comment that I just finished a great book last night called "Half Broke Horses" by Jeannette Walls, a true life story of the author's grandmother who grew up in the western united states through the earlier 1900's. Getting to read a book now and then is a guilty pleasure for me because life can be so busy, but, haflinger friend ladies everywhere would enjoy it - I swear. Besides that, as I read your posts this morning Dawn, I feel like they are a continuation of that very book I just finished.
>  
> In the meantime, keep on trucking Dawn, spring time is on the way!
>  
> Julie in snowy SE MI
>
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> --- On Thu, 2/25/10, rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@...> wrote:
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> From: rivervalleyph <rivervalleyph@...>
> Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: First 2010 Foal at Rivervalley is tragic...
> To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:14 AM
>
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>  
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> Thanks for your kind words. I understand that you all have a "solution" to this, as I think the same at times, then I realize, it is how it is at this point. Donkeys don't work for us. There is actually a Llama farm up here and they too loose them to the nasty critters that are hungry. However, what I failed to tell you, sorry, is that the mares, young and older (bred mares and young stock) are out there with over 60 head of cows and they are not on my land. This is winter pasture I have for helping haying, with cattle, ect. for the neihbors throughout the summer and winter months. It is really a blessing in saving my hay cost as the neihbors are feeding them as well. So, putting other critters with them would make an issue, besides, honestly it could have happened right here too.
> However, I do appreciate the ideas and yes I have thought many times over about the same things. I however have two good big dogs that protect them when they are home and at the least let me know when something is wrong that they can't take on. But still, they were not home, and the mare was "early" as I wasn't sure when she got bred. The studs got out more than once last year....and all the other unwanted mares that got bred were aborted if I thought they got bred. However, I did not think this mare got bred until a few months ago I noticed she was wider than usual for an open mare. But as for when, well I seriously thought it was a later foal. The other mares that I did breed on purpose, two for sure are bred, are not bagged up at all and are not due till next month, which I know is just around the corner.
> So, here I am. Still hurt, mad a bit, and feeling terrible for my mare. She is a super mom and I hope she settles down and eats soon. Now the other point I forgot to mention is that another mare was by her side when I found her. The other mare would run to the me then to her and when I took the foal, she followed and hollered as much as the mare whose foal it was. Neat to see how mothernature works some times. The other mare took her back up the mountain to feed and hopefully she helps her. Now the other strange thing is that mare is not even mine, she is however a mare I saved this summer for the neihbor as she ripped her shoulder out and I spent 4 hours sewing her up layer at a time. She was never socible to me after that- haha- but yesterday she was the first to tell me and show me where Folly was. She stuck to her like glue the whole time and that is really neat.
> Just a few months back I had a now coming two year old gelding get attacked by a cat or a bear we think as he was run through fences and found in another pasture, down, and hurt severely. We had spent days looking for this colt, knowing he was misssing, and i decided not to put him down but spend the money and time to doctor him. He is home, in a corral in the back of the "little old barn" (one of three barns here) and healing is still super slow, but much better then he was. I do not know if he will be 100% sound yet or not, as I do not ask him to trot or do much still. Just doctor away. But my point is that I still feel (and this could be wrong) that the horses are better off out in mountain pasture to grow and mature, get excercise and learn and when there is problems then I begin to wonder if i am right. However, I have seen many cripples in pens and overfed and under excercised, so what is better? The horses that make it are far better off I think.
> The only way to make it better, if the other horses weren't out there would be to put the stud with them. Last year I had the studs and geldings up there and no one got hurt. Merl takes care of buisiness! But even now I don't know that he could have saved the colt for Folly. Will never know. But like I said I will be bringing them home, as planned, within the week I hope- I moved the date ahead! I did want the bred mares home for foaling as it is hard to find them up there. Miles of pastures, streams, beds, up and down country, ect. make it hard to find one if they go off.
> Anyway..thanks for letting me share....ramble. ...whatever I just did! I will be back later. Need to go work on fences, thpough it is 1 degree and the wind is blowing our foot and a half of snow everywhere! YUCK!
> Later,
> Sincerely,
> Dawn
>
> --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Molly McD" <mollymcdonald@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Oh Dawn, I'm so sorry! You're right, that life is not for everyone.... .you're one tough cookie! That must have been awful!! Don't think for a minute that anyone thinks you "bored" us with your story, and don't apologize for sharing, let us share your burden. Write again about the same thing as needed, it'll help to talk about it.
> >
> > Molly in Ohio
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[haflingerfriends] Florida Haflinger needs a nothern home

From this list I know that many haflingers have skin issues including my little man. I was cruising the internet and saw this poor guy.
I have never met him and I don't know the owner I just think this horse would greatly appreciate a home up north. He looks miserable but sounds like a good trail horse for a novice.

Happy trails!

http://www.horseclicks.com/horses/z8p62q/

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Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Rivervalley update...

Oh Dawn, I'm not laughing but I feel my blood pressure rising! Ah, the frustration!!!!! I hope you got a good night's sleep and that the new day brings better luck. Sheesh! You have to catch a break SOMETIME!

Thinking of you in Ohio,
Molly
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Well today was no exception to the rule of a bad week around here!
Lets se....were to start...oh ya..I woke up! Just kidding. Anyway, what did I do stupid this morning? Backed my pu over a T post to start with, yup- tore a chunk out of my step thing...scrathched the truck too. Oh well, now later this evening (the day was ok, showed haflingers off today) I went to get in the pu to go to town and pick up the neihbors kid as a ride home was in need right? Ya- the tire was flat! Air it up you say...well that would be good if I could get the generator started for the aircompressor- but its froze up cause its cold! So, I get a wee little bit of air in it that was in the tank and drive to town real slow like...go to the tire place to get my tire fixed right? Not! Their closed. Put air in then....nope, no hose. Go to a different store, can't find a gauge, so eye ball it- get air in it- get the kid home and me home....low and behold I found the leak- a bad one I think from running over the T post probibly. So- it'll be flat again soon! YIPPY! Hoping that the aircompressor will start tomorrow- or I'll be feeding with horses I guess, except the broke ones are not home for the most part. Now...this evening..hopefully the shower works! AND my bed is ready for me company! I'm ready. Why can't I just have a normal, good, hassel free, no problems kinda day?!
Hope this makes someone laugh.....
~Dawn

> > Hi My hafinger friends. I am sad to announce that the first foal for 2010 at Rivervalley lost life within minutes of birth. Due to my own neglect, the mares are up in high country still, this mare was early in foaling, went off by the river bed to foal and the d*^m coyotes killed it within minutes of birth. What a hard hit. I think I will get the fences fixed NOW and bring the girls home asap. None are bagged up other than her, who barely has a bag even now. But I want them home and I want the coyotes dead! And the wolves! And whatever else wants to eat my foals! I'm frustrated, angry and sad, though this was not a planned breeding, I new the mare was bred and it is upsetting none the less. I do not mean to bore you with tragidy, just feeling stupid and mad at myself for not getting her home earlier. Anyway, I loaded the foal in the truck and raced it out of over a mile of pasture while mom followed and whinnied and that is a real tear jerker I'll tell ya. I couldn't leave it to be eaten by the nasty as.wh.pes, and have her not go to feed at all, so this way maybe she will settle down in a few days before I move them home. Not sure what to do with baby. Just want to take a 30-30 and shoot the sorry ..... to peices. He even had the nerve to stand just off aways and watch me load it! Urrrr. Well, hopefully this will be the end of our losses for this year and things will brighten up from here on out.
> > I don't mean to sound harsh but in our country tough is as tough gets unfortunately. I do regret not getting them home, but even a few years ago we had a cat trying to kill our foals right here in our foaling pasture close to the house. This life may not be for everyone I guess and sometimes I have to dig to find a way to make this work for me too. But, we just keep going I guess. Though we will never know why, we will know it wasn't ment to be. It sucks and hurts but I don't know how else to look at it without bawling. Yes Denny, it was sired by Alto to be this early. Sorry.
> > Thanks for listening my friends....
> > Dawn
> > Rivervalley Ranch
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