[haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders???

Since the can of worms was opened lol, I will say that I am not a 'hobbiest' in doing what I want to do. I have thought about this and researched the crossing for 2 years. There is a 'Gypsy sport horse registery' which is actually bigger than I thought. There is also a Gypsy Sport horse forum like this one that I am a part of which I have talked to many people about why they do what they do and everyone had their own valid reasons.

And if you think about it, every breed of horse, cat, dog, rat, bunny, bovine whatever, became a breed from selective breeding to whatever the reason may be from crossing, like the arab with a mountian pony to get the haflinger or the shire, clydesdale, dales pony to get a gypsy. I can understand 'pure breeders' to not agree with crossing for 'diluting' of a certian breed, but there will always be pure breeders out there and the purebreds won't die out. I will have purebred haflingers AND haflinger gyspy sport horse foals, that is what I want to do and this is why I am gratefull to be american, I have the freedom to do that. Anyone who sees my horses can see they are well cared for and good looking. I am proud of my 'kids'

So all my breeding stock is and will be registered. I am looking at this as you said Karen, a long term goal. May that be 25,30 or even 50 years. HOrses have been in my blood since I was a baby, I breath and dream horses, do artwork of horses, And I will be doing stuff with my horses to promote them along the way not just have 'pretty horses' sitting in my backyard doing just that. looking pretty. I didn't get my first horse till Rosie and that was 6 years ago and I am going on 28 now. Those of you who had horses in your back yard as kids you were so lucky! I always had to borrow horses to just ride. I still can't believe I finally have my own horses! That is one goal accomplished for me.

Sorry for the long post, I forget how fast I can type sometimes and just keep going. lol

Jennifer in cali.
Who is now going to go take my mom riding!!! What a great day this will be, she has never ridden before! My mom's the best. :) Happy Valentines day. I am spending the day with mom :D

--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, K Garriott <kagarriott@...> wrote:
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>    Barbara, I couldn't agree with you more.
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>   Even though Ive been in the horse industry professionally for over 30 years, carried judges cards, shown, boarded, given lessons, and yes even breeding on a small scale, I am a far cry from an "elitist". In fact I was often the competitor that was showing open shows for prize money on a horse I bought out of a kill pen and took great glee in beating the uppity mucks with the high dollar horses that had to tell you all about how much they paid for what they were riding.
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>   That said, what you have said here is very, very, very, true. We have a serious overpopulation problem and no longer a good viable outlet for the large numbers of unwanted, and unmarketable horses, and its only going to get worse. To the tune of approx 100,000 a year and folks in 10 years that is ONE MILLION unwanted horses out there being given away to compete with your "for sale" horses. I already see starvation and neglect literally everywhere around me, its horrible.
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>   So....who exactly is going to jump up to buy a grade foal that was produced with the "wouldn't that be a cool cross" mentality? Not likely an "elitist" or even an experienced horse owner. Its most likely going to be someone with not much understanding of breeding, bloodlines, or even why breeders try to keep their chosen breed true to type and attempt to improve their stock in the process.
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>    While maybe not in every case, I will say that in many ( and even most) these type people are not super dedicated horse owners. They are usually fly by night hobbyist, and many lose interest in the whole horse hobby all together when they in turn breed their crossbred, and find no easy dollars are to be made with their own "experiments" Long story short they generally are not the type of people that I want to sell horses to. Let them go to the sale barns and buy up the very large selection of grade horses there. Those many, many, horses need a second chance more than I need to take one producing something that could likely end up there, and.. all because the dedicated, educated, elitist, life long, horse people aren't interested in owning what I have produced. 
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>  Now...if you are breeding for yourself and you really, really, want this cross and you know going into it that you will be feeding and caring for your experiments for the next 30 years and think its worth it, then I say that's entirely your business and go for it!
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>  While I would warn anyone of "experimenting" with breeding crosses in this market ( or should I say lack of a market) I think anytime you are promoting horse training on any level its good for horses and horse owners, and my hats off to the gal for showing off her horse in a public venue. 
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>  Karen G www.princesscarriage.com
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