I love the Expo and I am sure we will go this year. Where did you get your little "wild child" from? Do you own other horses? Do you come down this way for the Expo? Do you know anything about the "Minnesota Horse Training Academy" that is located in Mora? Just curious...as I am considering sending my daughter and her horse there this summer.
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From: HRT <hrhorses@paulbunyan.net>
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 2:16:07 PM
Subject: RE: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders - CATE in MN
Hi Cate,
Darn – I was hoping we were a little closer. Guess we are about 4 hours from each other. I have three Haffie boys now. Two geldings ( 6 & 8 years old) & a 10 month old stud colt… Naverre, Nikkado & the little guy we JUST brought home, so he is yet to be named. Can't come up with anything original at the moment so we are just calling him "the colt" which I hate. It'll come to me though, hopefully sooner than later the more I work with him. Right now the only thing that comes to mind is "Wild Child" as he's quite a little handful.
I don't know about what others would say on this group but he is different than any other baby I've had. Most of the youngsters we've worked with were Arabians and there tendency is to run bolt backwards, or sideways – this little guy loves to try to run past you and rear. He is so powerful with his neck. Our first Haffie baby we've had the opportunity to work with but I can already tell differences. Maybe it's the breed, maybe it's just that each horse is his own personality – don't know but he's keeping me on my toes for sure.
Back to being from MN – do you make it to the Expo ever?
-Jen in MN
From: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of CATE MNSHOE
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:02 PM
To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders - CATE in MN
Hi Jen! I am in Prior Lake...I have 2 Haflinger mares. One we call Mona and on we call Zena, they are 3 and 8 respectively. How about you?
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From: HRT <hrhorses@paulbunyan .net <mailto:hrhorses% 40paulbunyan. net> >
To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:haflingerfr iends%40yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:50:07 PM
Subject: RE: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders - CATE in MN
Hi Cate,
Where are you in MN? I'm in Northern MN near Bemidji. Just curious as to whether or not we are close in location. Always wonderful to find another Haffie owner up here!
Jen in MN
From: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:haflingerfr iends@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of CATE MNSHOE
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:53 PM
To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders???
I have to tell you, I love the Gypsy and I have a Haflinger mare! I would love to breed here to a nice gypsy stallion! So cool! Do you have any pics?
Cate in MN
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From: wapirose <riatafaline@ cowboyway. com <mailto:riatafaline %40cowboyway. com> >
To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:haflingerfr iends%40yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:30:05 AM
Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders???
SImply put, I love haflingers. Dream of owning a gypsy. Fell in love with my haflinger gypsy colt when I saw him be born, then watching him grow up. Have a hard time fathoming spending 10 grand on a horse (which most gypsies cost, even 7500 is steep). that is crazy for ANY breed. My colt is the best of both breeds. great temperment, conformation, hairy, colorfull, not as much bone as the gypsy but as athletic if not more so than a haflinger. Just watching him move is amazing. and boy is he FAST. He beats Rosie when we race on the beach and he is just a yearling. A great prospect for my cowboy races. Haflingers carry the feather gene so when bred to a feathered horse, the gypsy, you have a higher chance of getting feathers. Colors, there is an array of colors a gypsy can put with a haflinger, silvers are what are most interesting to me. If I get a nicely conformed 'modern' haflinger mare, breed to a stockier gypsy, get more bone and thickness that I like
but speed and agility. SHe would also make a great cross with my haflinger stud who is stockier with some thick legs and a beautiful head. Great feet. good hips and shoulders. the thing that most people look for when deciding to breed. I am also BIG into parades. I do up to ten a year, so yes, a flashy horse is something I look for. I want different. One reason I like hafligners, not many here on the central coast and people love to see the "Haflingers of the West' in the parades here. and I love gypsies. They are different. Both haflingers and gypsies are in the same 'type' of drafty horses (though I know some people in the haflinger world hate the word 'draft' with haflingers since there are so many leggier modern types now) and make a great cross. I will not be doing it enough to dilute either breed, maybe one or two every other year. And mainly for my own horses or friends who like the idea of the cross. And my question, if the gypsy world is so
excited about this and accepting, why can't the haflinger world be the same?
I can't tell you how honored I feel that Celeste approved my mares to be bred to her high dollar stallions. she is so highly respected in the gypsy world, the nicest lady.
Ok enough of that. I'm done with this topic. lets move on. Its getting old. Did that worked for you Karen, or at least understand where I'm coming from? :)
And yes, it was a direct attack to me starting with Kiola's post. If someone isn't sure, just go back and read it.
Jennifer in cali :D
--- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "kmt1172" <lrh1172@... > wrote:
>
>
> I beg to differ, from reading through the other post on this subject, it does indeed sound like Jennifer was personally attacked. Some people have come to her defense because that doesn't seem right to them. I am sure many, don't even know her age. Sure is making it interesting to read, like watching the hockey games for the fights. Got to love it. No wonder I hardly check out this group anymore.
> --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Karen" <tkharper@> wrote:
> >
> > Jennifer,
> >
> > I didn't say I don't understand your decision. I think I have a very clear understanding of it. What I said was I can't think of a single REASON to do what you propose.
> >
> > Would you mind enlightening me with some details into all of your research and also your rationale for choosing to breed your Haflinger mares to this particular Gypsy Vanner stallion? What exactly are you hoping to achieve with this cross? There are some serious Haflinger breeders on this list who might want to discuss this with you further. I know I'd like to and I'm not a breeder, just someone who cares a great deal about the Haflinger breed. And the glut of unwanted horses in this country.
> >
> > My gut tells me your rationale is going to be pretty flimsy. There are some on this list who are leaping to your defense because you're young and I guess they feel like you need to be protected from tough questions. I think you would benefit far more in the long run from having to actually think through and answer the questions rather than continuing to dodge them and hide behind the idea that you're being personally attacked. YOU are not being attacked. I'm sure you're a fine young woman who loves her horses. It's your ACTIONS that are being questioned and that you should be prepared to answer for. And ideally this would happen before you are directly responsible for putting more foals on the ground simply because, as you say in your own words, in America you have the RIGHT to do so. That is the flimsiest of all reasons to breed horses or anything else.
> >
> > I think you have some serious maturing to do in the area of learning about personal responsibility and the consequences of your actions. I sincerely hope you work on that before creating more equine lives. There is value in having respect for others whose wisdom and experience far exceeds yours. You can learn a lot from people like that if you open your mind and sincerely try to learn.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Karen Harper
> > Florida
> >
> > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "wapirose" <riatafaline@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Karen,
> > >
> > > Everyone has their own reasons for doing what they do. There is no reason nor point trying to explain those reasons when People already have their minds closed off to other things. I mean, look at the labradoodle for instance, I dislike poodles very much and wonder WHY would you breed a lab to a poodle? because someone somewhere in australia loved labs, but were allergic to them, well poodles being hypoallergenic would be a great mix for a lab right? So now you have a new breed. that has become quite popular. I still don't like them (see them from 3 breeders in my area and they are ugly to me. lol and a bit crazy too)
> > >
> > > I like to keep my mind open to just about everything if I can help it. When I first saw a haflinger gypsy sport horse foal I was impressed, so I've done 2 years of research in color genetics, bloodlines, and breeders of gypsies in the usa and uk. I feel I am now ready to move on with my program. This is not a fade or something on impluse. Don't be quick to judge, I keep reminding myself of that and think now before I post anything. If I would have just let loose on Kiola's um...heated post...I would have been seen as the bad guy or however you want to put it. I'm getting better with age. lol
> > >
> > > Just because YOU don't understand doesn't mean you have to. I don't understand a lot of things but hey, its water under the bridge and I just get over it and move on. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Jennifer in sunny california!
> > > 76 degrees today whoohooo spring is almost here!
> > >
> > > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Karen" <tkharper@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow. I can't think of a single reason to crossbreed Haflingers with Gypsy Vanners. I'm pretty familiar with Haflingers and I've also known some Gypsies. The Gypsies I've known have been lovely (hairy) heavy cobs who made excellent driving horses. But I've tried to analyze this objectively and I just can't think of a single reason to cross the two breeds. What would be the qualities of each that could be improved upon by crossing them? What would you hope to maintain and what would you hope to change? And why? I would be very interested in hearing the rationale for this cross. I'm afraid I have to go with the brand-name trendiness factor here. If Gypsies are selling better in your neck of the woods but what you have on hand are Haflinger mares, then I suppose you can breed them and then emphasize the Gypsy blood when advertising the offspring?
> > > >
> > > > My problem with this scenario is not that silver and gold classified Haflingers aren't being promoted. It's the idea of breeding more crossbred foals in a down market without a sound basis for producing them. This probably makes me one of the dreaded elitists but I find that type of crapshoot mentality when making breeding decisions to be pretty irresponsible.
> > > >
> > > > Karen Harper
> > > > Florida
> >
>
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