~Cari
haflingerhorse@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> What is wrong with all of you people????? Stop it stop it! Shame on
> you all! I started this simple discussion as a serious concern for the
> future of our Haflinger breed because of what I am seeing as a lack of
> Haflinger breeders. This has turned into a kill all discussion to
> attack EVERYONE, breeders, trainers, grades, show horses, inspected
> horses and the wonderful Haflinger itself. STOP IT!
> No one needs to be put down, that was never the intent of me bringing
> this up. It was simply to get others ideas as to if there should be a
> concern about the breeding trends of the registered Haflinger in the
> up coming years. And yes, I was talking about registered Haflingers,
> not crosses or grades, and that isn't to put anyone down, that was
> just the market I was referring to. Many people are crossing their
> Haflingers with other breeds, another concern of mine because of
> diluting the breed. The 'suck it up' comments are rude and in poor
> taste and not needed for those breeders who are trying to keep the
> breed going, and are not outcrossing, but keeping the breed pure,
> because if the breed is not kept pure, everyone in the end loses.
> Those with grades, those who trail ride, those who show, everyone
> because all the wonderful qualities are erased when generation after
> generation is diluted the Haflinger that regardless of what we do with
> them, we all love.
> I can stand up and whine, cry, moan, cheer, yell and point fingers
> with the best of you. That isn't needed right now. What is needed is
> Haflinger owners to unite with ideas on how to keep this breed moving
> forward as pure Haflingers that we all have fallen in love with,
> regardless of how we use the horse. Let's come up with constructive
> ideas on how to move forward and keep the Haflinger breed going, not
> finger pointing what we feel others are doing wrong.
>
> Jacque in Ohio
> www.hfbhaflingers.com
> Woodward Performance Haflingers
>
>
> > Wow..... here come the elitists again...... I'm sorry, but it's in
> really poor taste to attack Jennifer just because she's not
> raising/showing/training Silver or Gold rated Hafys..... Obviously you
> and some other Pro's on this list think us little people should just
> shut up and go away.... frankly, I'm beginning to think that's a good
> idea.... time for the list to split AGAIN.....
> >
> > I was at the Equifest and the Equine Affaire, and trust me, Jennifer
> and her little "grade" Hafy wow'd the spectators and as she said, sent
> lots of folks to the breed exhibit for more info on Hafys. So our
> Hafy's don't meet your standards..... so we don't have mega bucks to
> participate in Classifications and travel for breed shows.... but we
> love our horses as much as you do yours! And for your edification,
> there are a lot more people like us, with limited budgets and a lot of
> love for the breed, than there are the "top of the line" show breeders
> and buyers. So, you Pro show folks are thinking about throwing in the
> towel because you can't make money, not too many buyers out there with
> $10,0000 and up to spend on your highly papered and promoted horses,
> well suck it up.
> >
> > Not to detract from the other exhibitors at the Equine Affaire,
> lovely rigs, lovely horses, very showy, and lots of dollars...... BUT,
> did you hear the cheers and applause for little Rosie the "grade" mare
> (which I don't consider her to be, based on the reason why she's not
> papered)...... during the Extreme Cowboy Race and/or the breed demo?
> She was a real trooper and a class act. I have a lot more admiration
> for Jennifer and her accomplishments on a shoe string budget, with no
> professional trainers assistance, than I do for those privileged folks
> with big budgets. Seriously, I love Jen and Victoria and their horses
> are beautiful, but it takes a lot of determination to do what Jennifer
> has done with very limited funds.
> >
> >
> > Other breeds seem to make room for folks with less than show perfect
> halter horses, but again and again here on this list, I hear this
> snobby elitist attitude. You know what? Keep your fancy "modern"
> Hafy's that look like little Arabs with no legs, hit the show rings,
> sell for big bucks, and go ahead and look down your noses at the rest
> of us, we really don't care. For us, we like our less than perfect
> Hafy's.... we love their temperaments and their devotion and their
> "try". We'll keep riding trails and on the beach. and in the
> mountains. We'll go to local "little shows" and make folks aware of
> our golden ponies. We'll keep buying those Hafy's you consider
> "rejects" for reasonable prices and we will make them part of our
> family and raise our kids on them, and treasure them just as much as
> you do your "bragging rights" fancy show stock. Isn't it funny.....
> your all crying that you can't sell your fancy horses, but we have no
> trouble selling our well broke sweet little Hafys that you look down
> your nose at.....
> >
> > Not to say that I encourage breeding poor quality stock.... I
> wouldn't do that.... but these horses that you obviously reject still
> have their place in this world and we love them!
> >
> > Suzy Moren, So CA..... (and BTW.... my Hafy is a registered gelding,
> former competition show horse, bought through an ad at the Haflinger
> web site.... and I could care less about his papers..... what I love
> is his attitude, his dependability, his trustworthiness, his affection
> and his desire to be my companion and best friend. For that, he
> doesn't need a Silver or Gold Classification)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kiolak
> > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:42 PM
> > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: Haflinger Breeders???
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry... but I can't believe that the people who know the whole
> story here are not saying anything. I have had it, and I have to speak
> out.
> >
> > Jennifer - you say you are promoting the breed. I say you are
> promoting yourself as a pretty good trainer. I will not disagree that
> you have done a nice job with Rosie. The thing is, you are not
> promoting the Haflinger breed. She is a unregistered, grade horse. You
> have nothing at all to prove that she is purebred.
> >
> > You would like to say you are promoting the Haflinger breed, but
> really by using Rosie you are telling folks that a grade horse is what
> they are after. You are not supporting the hardworking Haflinger
> breeders who dedicate themselves to inproving the breed and
> researching bloodlines and going through I&C by doing that. Being a
> responsible Haflinger breeder takes a lot of time and let's face it -
> money! That is why purebred Haflingers cost more.
> >
> > You are encouraging people by your example to simply go out and buy
> a horse that is labled a Haflinger. Why should papers matter? Look how
> wonderful Rosie is. In today's economy, a bargain is a bargain and a
> lot of people are looking for it even with horses. The unpapered
> horses are usually cheaper.
> >
> > ALSO, and this is a biggie... let's talk about WHAT breed of horse
> you really are breeding for!! Let's see... you own a Gypsy/Haflinger
> stud stallion as well as a Haflinger stallion. You are planning on
> breeding both of your registered Haflinger mares and your grade
> Haflinger mare to a Gypsy stallion. Sounds like you like into making
> feathered spotted crosses. Hmm... last I heard that was a pretty
> trendy breed.
> >
> > Oh, and by the way... one of those home raised foals that you sold
> so easily this year was actually not sold at all but raffled off right?
> >
> > Would you like to dispute any of the things I just said? I would
> appreciate it if you would please tell the truth to the people here.
> And DON'T tell me your brother has been writing things in your name
> again. No one's going to buy it this time.
> >
> > ~Kiola~
> >
> > --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>, "wapirose" <riatafaline@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think as long as you not only have good quality
> haflingers/horses in general that are good BROKE horses the market
> will come back and people are still looking for good safe broke horses.
> > >
> > > As for who will breed haflingers, what about people like me, who
> discovered the haflinger 6 years ago with little Rosie, who now wants
> to promote them and get them known in my area? I now have a stallion
> and three mares, nothing big but it is a start. there are always young
> up and coming breeders, just like with anything. There will never NOT
> be breeders for any breed. We all love certian horses and will do what
> we can to promote them :)
> > >
> > > I am not worried about it at all. People see what I do with my
> horses and go "OMG I want one!" I easily sold 2 foals that I raised as
> people were impressed more with how they were trained for babies over
> their lineage. Get a GOOD horse, you won't want to get rid of it. For
> the most part anyways. Markets always go up and down, why worry about
> it when it is down when you really can't fix it, but just have to ride
> it out? I'll be breeding my three mares this year. Can't wait to see
> what those foals look like next year!!
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > > Jennifer in cali
> > > --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rich-Lin" <rich-lin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jackie,'
> > > > How is snowy Ohio??
> > > > I think that most of us so called breeders, who use to have at
> least one stallion and many foals, and sold them at good prices, can
> NO longer still do that. with the prices sooo very low right now,
> unless a person is rich, they just can't afford to keep 25 or more, as
> we use to do.
> > > > I have seen this coming for some time, and we are now down to
> just 4 geldings and one mare.
> > > > All of my customers just want a family-type reliable, sound
> riding/driving horse. AT a reasonable price. No ones ever comes by to
> purchase a foal, and does not care about any special breeding of a
> stallion or mare.
> > > > I just recently sold 2 mares at an extremely LOW price, when
> years ago, I have sold up to 30 haflingers per year... How times have
> changed.
> > > > I think people are finally realizing this sad truth.
> > > > Linda
> > > > Rich-Lin Farm Haflingers NH
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: haflingerhorse@
> > > > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Haflinger Breeders???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey everyone. In the past three days I have heard of two
> Haflinger breeders (they owned four or more mares) who are done with
> the Haflinger breed. One is completely finished, and the other is
> keeping a couple Haflingers but has purchased friesans. Even our farm,
> having 9 broodmares, and 6 foals last year, are now down to two foals
> coming and just two broodmares, we have sold or given away the others.
> Considering that only around 600 Haflinger foals were registered last
> year, as compared to at some points 2000 a year, it is to me, getting
> a bit scary. There aren't to many Haflinger breeders left only a
> handful that I know of who are still breeding. What is this breed to
> do? Do you think with the resulting 'shortage' of Haflingers that will
> be coming in the next 2-3 years, the prices will go back up? Or, are
> you afraid (as I am) that the breeders are getting out, but the
> backyard breeders will continue and the quality of the breed will suffer?
> > > > I pose this as a discussion only, I am not surprised with these
> breeders getting out, as we have drastically cut back from our highest
> number of Haflingers at 38, down to 10 Haflingers total. I am just a
> bit worried as to if the breeders are leaving, where it will leave our
> beloved Haflinger, and in who's hands?
> > > >
> > > > Jacque in Ohio
> > > > Woodward Performance Haflingers
> > > > www.hfbhaflingers.com
> > > >
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