Those methods were in fact used by several of my friends.And yes they did work.I however stated that i have not used them.And that i have not had a reason to use them.
My friend has trained several horses,and even uder supervision of her trainer as well used tying up the rear leg to discourage barn sour.It has worked for her.Now her supervisor was trained in shall we say old methods(not the Clinton Anderson,Montey Roberts) but the ways that Montey Roberts describes in his book"the man who listen's to horses" .
The thinking behind tying up the leg is make the horse feel uncomfortable at the barn,and there for he/she will not enjoy it as much.That is the way it was explained to me.And same with the tire behind the horse,when the horse kicks it gets booted in the butt w/ the tire.Eventually the horse learns that if it kicks it is gonna feel the tire on his/her butt.Again my friend has said it works,and that these were older methods.
I have seen many of the horses she has trained,and i must say they know what they are doing.Very level headed horses.Her own horse a morgan/Qh cross was her most difficult to train.But when you have a horse either comming at you to bite you or turn and kick you,you have to find ways that work.She did inlist a pro for this horse for this problem.His solution was a cattle prod,and she has not had a problem with attacking to this day.I have rode this horse and say she is so well behaved i would trust my son who has rode 3 times in his 12 yrs of life to ride her.
I will say it again,i have not had to use these methods,my horse has had her leg tied up.But not by me and i dont know what the problem was for doing this either.Dont really care to know,if a problem arises i will try natural methods.If those do not correct the problem then i inlist either my friend or call the trainer she is going to in the spring.
Carla and Legend
Northern Mi
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, kiolak <kiolak@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: kiolak <kiolak@hotmail.com>
Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: thanks for the ideas on barn sour
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:45 AM
Well said Heather! I had to chuckle a bit at the end when you reminded people that using a crop effectively is not a cruelty to the horse. I have always been told if you are going to use a crop, use it effectively. Do not tap, tap, tap and nag as it will be tuned out - you need to be firm and mean business. It is a artificial aid that is given to reinforce a natural aid (your leg, in order to move forward). A person should only have to use it once or twice to get a response... we are not talking about beating horses.
I personally find the suggestion of tying a horses leg up at the barn and leaving it there to be quite disturbing. What exactly would the point be to that? I have only heard one person dare to come back and suggest that it was a bad idea. (thank you Laura)
Here is my thought... if a person is not sure if a method is considered a "postive way of training" and has only "heard" of it working -or- If that person does not understand why it is that the method is used or how it works. DON'T advise others to do it. This is how people and horses get hurt. A lot of damage can be done by people who do not understand what they are doing. Damage that cannot be undone. Horses are living creatures... do not experiament with various means of torture. I am amazed that people still will even suggest or even practice tying a horse in a stall and attaching a tire to it to teach it not to kick.
You know, after those suggestions I am feeling like Peggy was totally right in stating we should not discuss training here. Those are not "training" methods to me. Training is teaching, and teaching takes understanding.
I have been trying so hard to explain my thoughts about tying up horse legs or tying tires to them without seeming negative... but there simply is no way to do it. I am mostly worried about those out there who read some poorly thought out (or not thought out at all) training advice and will try it out. I worry for their horses. I worry for their safety. I worry for their lives... and so I am speaking out against those methods.
Your Haffiefriend,
~Kiola~
Brier, WA
--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Heather" <hmraw@...> wrote:
>
> You don't need to work him in the barn for the work at barn rest away to work. You just need to have an area around the barn where he is comfortable and is not trying to go back to the barn. If you have to trot circles around the barn or right in front of the door the key is to only let him rest when he is away from the barn. You could even work him in the pasture if he is reluctant to leave.
>
> Depending on your horse it might only take one or two time of this exercise to work or it might take more. Unfortunately it might take a while if you can only get out there once or twice a week. There is another method you could use but it will only work if he is not leaving the barn because he is being stubborn and not because he is nervous without his buddies. If he is just being stubborn because he has gotten away with this behavior in the past then the "speak softly and carry a big stick" theory might work faster. Take him out and as soon as he even hesitates about leaving the barn get firm with him use your legs and a crop on the behind to inform him that is NOT acceptable behavior and drive him on. Just a word of caution on this method, as I said before, it will only work if he being stubborn. If his refusal to leave the barn has to do with insecurities then this method will only make him worse.
>
> I'm not sure what your experience is but since you only get out one or twice a week I am going to assume that you don't have a lot of experience with dealing with lots of different horses and behaviors. If you are not sure if the behavior is from stubbornness or insecurity, ask an experience person to come watch you ride him. Have the (good) experienced person get on him see if he does the same to them. A very experienced person will be able to tell the difference between stubbornness and insecurity.
>
> Before people jump all over me about hitting a horse please remember when a horse is misbehaving in the heard the leader will bite or kick him to straighten him out. That can hurt a lot worse then anything us humans can do with one or two swift hits of a crop.
>
> Heather
> Ohio
>
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