cannot produce offspring that would be recognized in any way. Is that fair then
to the future owners of the inevitable offspring of these "unregistered"
purebred Haflingers?..."
.
A "registered grade" would mean that such a certificate applied *only* to
the one Haflinger. So, the owner would understand from the start - if they
bred that "reg.grade" then the offspring in NO way would be registerable.
Go a step further - if a "reg.grade" owner DOES breed their mare, and tries
to register that offspring with AHR - then their "reg.grade" will loose
it's registration. Would be a penalty for breaking the rule of non-breeding
for that "reg.grade". So yes, it is entirely fair -- if an unscrupulous
breeder is trying to pull a fast one on a future buyer of any such offspring
-- then the buyer is responsible to do a little research. Just as a
buyer representing a fully registered Haffie (who is really not registered)
.... same thing - the AHR does not police dishonest buyers misrepresenting
non-registereds as Registered, no one would expect the AHR to give differently
for "reg.grades". ;-)
.
"...What about horses whose parentage is unknown and may be only part
Haflinger? Or they are known to be half-Haflinger (like the "spotted
Haflinger")? Do we owe some recognition to those horses and their owners? ...."
.
No, not at all. We are talking about non-registereds who visually DO meet
all the breed standards ... and those Half-Haflinger and Spotted Haflingers
that obviously do NOT meet that major requirement would not even be part
of the equation. ;-)
.
"...I'm asking what this would really look like and whether it really helps
the breed in the long run. I love to see these folks and their horses
participate in the fun shows and regional association activities, but how does
the registry involve them?..."
.
The registry would benefit from the funds coming in from the "registered
grade" owners. After all, didn't this thread started with a call from AHR
that it was in serious straits for lack of sufficient funding? The *many*
owners of non-registered Haflingers would gladly pay a fee for a simple
certificate recognizing their Haffie as a Haffie. No breeding clause, means no
offspring would be recognized, that's an automatic given.
.
Does a "Reg. Grade Certificate" help the breed in the long run? Only in
that it helps keep the AHR alive, by providing funds the AHR seems to really
need and seems not to be getting. So, via funding, so that there *is* a
registry - yeah, I would say indirectly, "reg.grades" would be helping the
breed.
.
There are many owners of non-reg. Haffies, who do not show or compete in
arena .... but who are trail riders, or if compete, then something like
cross country distance riding, etc. For folks like us - we would love a
"reg.grade" certificate .... and are just fine with not being able to compete in
shows. For folks like us - we even would pass on the magazine subscription
(as it doesn't really hold anything for us, anyways.) Don't get me wrong
- if someone is a competitor or breeder, it is a *great* magazine for them
... but all the issues I've checked out, really doesn't have much for an
every-day person like me ;-)
.
That's why I don't subscribe to the magazine - there really is nothing in
it for me. I know the magazine can not be everything to everyone - that's
ok - just as it's ok for someone to not subscribe to it.
.
I have only one Haflinger, and do not want to sell her just to buy a
registered Haflinger. Ellie is a non-reg., and per an earlier email "....If you
do not have registration papers then you shouldn't call your horse a
Haflinger. But since (you) love haflingers (you) should still feel an allegiance
to the mission of the registry, and support it with (your) dues
dollars..." I have to agree - that really doesn't make me feel like I want to join
the registry...that pretty much sums up why I do not send in $65 yearly -
sure it's not a fortune, but it's not pennies either. I don't earn a
fortune - my main income is about $24K a year - so when I purchase something, I
try to make it worthwhile.
.
Yearling spending $65 to a registry that says I should not call my Haffie a
Haffie ... well, it doesn't make sense to do that. But I would be
willing to pay a decent fee, for a "reg.grade cerificate" -- don't forget the
all important non-breeding clause, and it's ONLY for the non-reg. who MEETS
the breed standards.
.
Seems that a "reg.grade" cerification would benefit AHR as a fund raiser
... without threatening breeders at all - since the "reg.grade" would NOT be
allowed to be bred.
.
For the comment, "...We have no way to outreach to people who own
unregistered Haflingers other than what I'm doing now. We don't know who or where
you are, or what you are looking for from the registry. Unless you join and
become a member/voter, there is no way we can really learn from you..."
.
Actually, this list has quit a few non-reg. owners on it. There is *not*
a need to pay AHR $65 a year, in order for AHR to get feedback from the
non-reg. owners. ;-)
.
Most of us have spoken up (politely, too ;-) voicing that what we'd
like to see is a slip of paper that acknowledges our non-reg. Haffie (who
meets breed standards) as a Haffie .... and we don't mind if it's in a
sub-category like "Registered Grade". We've voiced that we would pay members
dues ... or pay for the certificate ... either of which would be financially
supporting AHR.
.
But if I am understanding correctly - AHR does not really want any part of
a sub-category of "Registered Grade" .... and those of us with non-reg.
Haffies (who meet breed standards) we do not want to give up our valued
Haffies and go buy a registered Haffie in their place, so that we can become
owners of registered Haflinger, either.
.
Maybe is AHR is firmly against a "Registered Grade" category ... I wonder
... is that a registry out there ... something like the "Pinto Horse Asso"
(a color registry) ... but that is for Haflingers who meet the breed
standards (*not* a color registry, but a meeting breed standard registry for the
non-reg. Haffie) ? I am guessing not - since I have not seen a post on
this list talking about such a thing.
.
Sher and "EllieMae" in CO
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