the past--we are all very interested in looking at all the possible ways to
increase membership and involvement in the organization. It's not that the
ideas brought forth in the last two days on this list can't be considered
again (and there are other Board members on this list listening in on this
discussion), but there are plenty of good reasons why some of these things
have not happened --they are either not feasible, not ethical, not
affordable, have been tried and haven't worked, etc. Believe me, we've
thought of these ideas too and we've instituted many new programs (Points
and Awards, the free Pedigree Search on the website to name two) to try to
provide service to AHR members.
I'm only one of twelve directors. Any director can be contacted. I will
say that AHR members who contact the entire Board by email or written letter
have the best chance of getting everyone's attention.
I happen to be the one director with the biggest mouth and most opinions
;-)
Emily
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Suzy Moren <critterkeeper1@verizon.net>wrote:
>
>
> Emily... with due respect, answers such as this " Thanks for so many ideas,
> all of which have been talked about previously by the Board. Emily " sounds
> to me like " I hear you, but I don't care what your saying, we've already
> made up our minds. It's kind of like a kid who quits asking when his parents
> only answer is NO.
> Suzy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: briarcroft@clearwire.net <briarcroft%40clearwire.net>
> To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com <haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] re: Raisng Funds / Non-Reg. owners should
> support AHR?
>
> Sher,
> The magazine is regularly criticized by show people and breeders as not
> having enough articles relevant to them, and we publish trail and pleasure
> activity articles anytime we receive them. It has quite an eclectic magazine
> because our membership is about as diverse as any breed group can be (just
> witness the diversity of opinion represented here).
>
> Thanks for so many ideas, all of which have been talked about previously by
> the Board.
> Emily
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RkyMtnTrls@aol.com <RkyMtnTrls%40aol.com>
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:26:12
> To: <haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com <haflingerfriends%40yahoogroups.com>>
>
> Subject: [haflingerfriends] re: Raisng Funds / Non-Reg. owners should
> support AHR?
>
> "...I'm in full support of that as long as the unregistered Haflinger
> cannot produce offspring that would be recognized in any way. Is that fair
> then
> to the future owners of the inevitable offspring of these "unregistered"
> purebred Haflingers?..."
> .
> A "registered grade" would mean that such a certificate applied *only* to
> the one Haflinger. So, the owner would understand from the start - if they
> bred that "reg.grade" then the offspring in NO way would be registerable.
> Go a step further - if a "reg.grade" owner DOES breed their mare, and tries
>
> to register that offspring with AHR - then their "reg.grade" will loose
> it's registration. Would be a penalty for breaking the rule of non-breeding
>
> for that "reg.grade". So yes, it is entirely fair -- if an unscrupulous
> breeder is trying to pull a fast one on a future buyer of any such
> offspring
> -- then the buyer is responsible to do a little research. Just as a
> buyer representing a fully registered Haffie (who is really not registered)
>
> .... same thing - the AHR does not police dishonest buyers misrepresenting
> non-registereds as Registered, no one would expect the AHR to give
> differently
> for "reg.grades". ;-)
> .
> "...What about horses whose parentage is unknown and may be only part
> Haflinger? Or they are known to be half-Haflinger (like the "spotted
> Haflinger")? Do we owe some recognition to those horses and their owners?
> ...."
> .
> No, not at all. We are talking about non-registereds who visually DO meet
> all the breed standards ... and those Half-Haflinger and Spotted Haflingers
>
> that obviously do NOT meet that major requirement would not even be part
> of the equation. ;-)
> .
> "...I'm asking what this would really look like and whether it really helps
>
> the breed in the long run. I love to see these folks and their horses
> participate in the fun shows and regional association activities, but how
> does
> the registry involve them?..."
> .
> The registry would benefit from the funds coming in from the "registered
> grade" owners. After all, didn't this thread started with a call from AHR
> that it was in serious straits for lack of sufficient funding? The *many*
> owners of non-registered Haflingers would gladly pay a fee for a simple
> certificate recognizing their Haffie as a Haffie. No breeding clause, means
> no
> offspring would be recognized, that's an automatic given.
> .
> Does a "Reg. Grade Certificate" help the breed in the long run? Only in
> that it helps keep the AHR alive, by providing funds the AHR seems to
> really
> need and seems not to be getting. So, via funding, so that there *is* a
> registry - yeah, I would say indirectly, "reg.grades" would be helping the
> breed.
> .
> There are many owners of non-reg. Haffies, who do not show or compete in
> arena .... but who are trail riders, or if compete, then something like
> cross country distance riding, etc. For folks like us - we would love a
> "reg.grade" certificate .... and are just fine with not being able to
> compete in
> shows. For folks like us - we even would pass on the magazine subscription
> (as it doesn't really hold anything for us, anyways.) Don't get me wrong
> - if someone is a competitor or breeder, it is a *great* magazine for them
> ... but all the issues I've checked out, really doesn't have much for an
> every-day person like me ;-)
> .
> That's why I don't subscribe to the magazine - there really is nothing in
> it for me. I know the magazine can not be everything to everyone - that's
> ok - just as it's ok for someone to not subscribe to it.
> .
> I have only one Haflinger, and do not want to sell her just to buy a
> registered Haflinger. Ellie is a non-reg., and per an earlier email "....If
> you
> do not have registration papers then you shouldn't call your horse a
> Haflinger. But since (you) love haflingers (you) should still feel an
> allegiance
> to the mission of the registry, and support it with (your) dues
> dollars..." I have to agree - that really doesn't make me feel like I want
> to join
> the registry...that pretty much sums up why I do not send in $65 yearly -
> sure it's not a fortune, but it's not pennies either. I don't earn a
> fortune - my main income is about $24K a year - so when I purchase
> something, I
> try to make it worthwhile.
> .
> Yearling spending $65 to a registry that says I should not call my Haffie a
>
> Haffie ... well, it doesn't make sense to do that. But I would be
> willing to pay a decent fee, for a "reg.grade cerificate" -- don't forget
> the
> all important non-breeding clause, and it's ONLY for the non-reg. who MEETS
>
> the breed standards.
> .
> Seems that a "reg.grade" cerification would benefit AHR as a fund raiser
> ... without threatening breeders at all - since the "reg.grade" would NOT
> be
> allowed to be bred.
> .
>
> For the comment, "...We have no way to outreach to people who own
> unregistered Haflingers other than what I'm doing now. We don't know who or
> where
> you are, or what you are looking for from the registry. Unless you join and
>
> become a member/voter, there is no way we can really learn from you..."
> .
> Actually, this list has quit a few non-reg. owners on it. There is *not*
> a need to pay AHR $65 a year, in order for AHR to get feedback from the
> non-reg. owners. ;-)
> .
> Most of us have spoken up (politely, too ;-) voicing that what we'd
> like to see is a slip of paper that acknowledges our non-reg. Haffie (who
> meets breed standards) as a Haffie .... and we don't mind if it's in a
> sub-category like "Registered Grade". We've voiced that we would pay
> members
> dues ... or pay for the certificate ... either of which would be
> financially
> supporting AHR.
> .
> But if I am understanding correctly - AHR does not really want any part of
> a sub-category of "Registered Grade" .... and those of us with non-reg.
> Haffies (who meet breed standards) we do not want to give up our valued
> Haffies and go buy a registered Haffie in their place, so that we can
> become
> owners of registered Haflinger, either.
> .
> Maybe is AHR is firmly against a "Registered Grade" category ... I wonder
> ... is that a registry out there ... something like the "Pinto Horse Asso"
> (a color registry) ... but that is for Haflingers who meet the breed
> standards (*not* a color registry, but a meeting breed standard registry
> for the
> non-reg. Haffie) ? I am guessing not - since I have not seen a post on
> this list talking about such a thing.
> .
> Sher and "EllieMae" in CO
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