That makes sense. I prefer everything about the drafty haffy's, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Jennifer in Cali
--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Molly McD" <mollymcdonald@...> wrote:
>
> Kiola, please don't leave the group! You say what you think and that's not bad. Some people will be offended no matter what we say and that's life! I appreciate your straight talk, even when I don't agree, which for the record is very rarely ;-)!
>
> You did say: " To insist that one is better than the other is just wrong. A well put together horse is just that, and a person is fortunate to own one. A good mind in a horse is worth it's weight in gold." and since I commented on that topic, I wanted to set it straight from my perspective and from what I understood from others. No, one body type is not "better" than another, we just have our preferences. Those of us that prefer the drafty type are a little worried that this is going to be bred away since the show folk are preferring the taller sportier type right now. That's where the money is (if there's money to be had right now) for breeders because of this, so it makes sense that this is the type they'll breed. Do I dislike the taller thinner Haffies? no! If they have the Haflinger mind and the Haflinger heart, they are a Haflinger. I just prefer the look of the shorter draftier type myself.
>
> Molly in Ohio
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kiolak
> To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:03 PM
> Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: Raisng Funds / Non-Reg. owners should support AHR?
>
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>
> I would like to RESPECTFULLY suggest that those who want to learn more about what the American Haflinger Association has done and has discussed in the last few years (since 1994) check out the official AHR Board Meeting minutes which are available to all people - regardless of ownership on the web. Here is where you can find them:
> http://www.haflingerhorse.com/ahr_documents.htm
>
> To those who have commented on what the breed standards are, look here:
> http://www.haflingerhorse.com/ahr_breed_standards.htm
>
> To those who feel the breed should be considered "draft" because that is what they have always been, consider the Haflinger history; found here:
> http://www.haflingerhorse.com/ahr_breed_history.htm
> "The first official documentation of the present day Haflinger (named for the Tyrolean village of Hafling) was in 1874 when the foundation stallion 249 Folie was born of the half-Arabian stallion 133 El' Bedavi XXII crossed with a refined native Tyrolean mare. All modern purebred Haflingers must trace their ancestry directly to Folie through seven different stallion lines: A, B, M, N, S, ST, and W."
>
> I do not see the word "draft" in that description. I see half Arabian, and I see refined native Tyrolean mare. It was not until
> WW II that the Haflinger horse began to change...
> "During the years of World War II, there was a significant shift in breeding practices because the military needed a packhorse that was shorter and stockier."
> Perhaps this is where people began to veiw Haflingers as being "draft" horses, as they were at that point used more as packhorses.
> If you read on, you will see:
> "Since the war, the height and refinement of the breed have returned, with an emphasis on developing a small horse that is versatile for both riding and driving. Characteristics observed are a strong constitution, a solid conformation with substantial bone, and an uncomplicated personality."
>
> I personally take offense when people refer to our Haflingers as "cart ponies" or as "draft ponies that carry children". They are more than that to me. They can do a little bit of everything, and that is so cool to me. They are "renaissance horses" to me in that they can excel in multiple disciplines.
>
> Yes, I do think that breeding for *too much* height will compromise bone. That I do have problems with.
> Conformation is very important as to usabilty.
> Do I think height will effect the horses mind?
> ABSOLUTELTY NOT! That is like saying shorter people are better than taller people. How ridiculous is that? It is also quite insulting.
>
> We can all enjoy all the different body types of Haflingers. To insist that one is better than the other is just wrong. A well put together horse is just that, and a person is fortunate to own one. A good mind in a horse is worth it's weight in gold.
>
> I would like to beseech those who are offering suggestions and ideas to first do their research. I feel like so many are just shooting from the hip, when really there is no need to be asking the same questions over and over. It is like when someone new comes onto the HF group and asks about what saddle best fits Haflingers... it is asked over and over and over again, when really all they need to do is go and research it in the archives. Before any of you get upset with what I just said, if you have belonged to this group for longer than 2 years, you will know what I am talking about.
>
> I don't want to discourage new people from asking those questions! Some people on the group are more than happy to answer that question ad nauseum, and that is really great. There are others on the group who have felt they have said all they can say about it and it become tiresome to keep repeating oneself. (consider trying to helpfully answer any one of the basic core questions that are asked for the past ten years repeatedly)
>
> So, perhaps I am speaking out of turn, but to ask Emily to take the time to explain the AHR's official stance on things is kind of asking alot of a person who already has offered so much of her time voluntarily to the cause. It is easy enough to find the answers on your own, and actually better as I am sure Emily (as much as I love her) has her own personal veiw on how things are, or what has happened. Find neutral sources for your information. Hers is not the only veiw. I encourage those who have questions to do the online research on their own, and report back here with weblinks to what they have found. (do not just say "I have heard, or I have read" Give proof.)
>
> I am trying to speak plainly without offending anyone, if I have offended anyone I am sorry, as that was not my intention. I beginnning to feel like that whenever I post anything beyond fluff, I am going to get jumped on. If that is the case, I will gladly leave the group, as I am not one who is able to sit back and lurk.
>
> Your Haffiefriend,
> ~Kiola~
> Brier, WA
>
> --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Mitchell <marilynmitchell61@> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't hear Emily that way. But, it would be helpful if Emily could provide the board's reasoning behind the topics that have been broached.
> >
> > M in Sac
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: the_hembrows <marie.hembrow@>
> > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 1:50:08 AM
> > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: Raisng Funds / Non-Reg. owners should support AHR?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, "Suzy Moren" <critterkeeper1@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Emily... with due respect, answers such as this " Thanks for so many ideas, all of which have been talked about previously by the Board. Emily " sounds to me like " I hear you, but I don't care what your saying, we've already made up our minds. It's kind of like a kid who quits asking when his parents only answer is NO.
> > > Suzy
> >
> > Suzy, If I may say so, that is a very rude statement you have made, and very unfair considering all that Emily has said on this subject. You are shooting the messenger, who has spent her time answering, in a very fair and polite way, all the sticks and stones that have been thrown her way.
> >
> > If anyone has any really gripe with the AHR then they should do as previously advised, and contact them as a whole.
> >
> > Having said that, I know this is none of my business at all, being a UK Haflinger owner, but I cannot bear rudeness, and stongly believe in fair play.
> >
> > Marie
> > Gosprt
> > Hampshire
> > England
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