I did not do any deep research on the stallions I choose... just clicked on the pictures and from first glance at them decided what catagory they seemed to go under to answer the one question
"What is your idea of 'drafty' and 'Modern'?"
Sheesh what a simple question and answer that just got blown way out of proportion. Typical. lol. I should have known better. Oh well. I am just thankfull I live in America where we can have free thoughts on things :)
OK what is our next topic?? lol
Jennifer in cali
--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "kiolak" <kiolak@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to point out that while all of the stallions that Jennifer listed were licensed by the AHR, they were NOT all approved (recommended) for breeding, per breed standards. I believe those to be two different things. I will try and give some proof of that, so that you can learn from what I have found out.
>
> This is taken from the AHR website:
> "Application for Stallion License
> A Stallion License Application must be completed prior to the issuing of a stallion license. This form is returned to the AHR office--it is not sent in with the DNA sample. Note that the top half is completed by the stallion owner, and the bottom half is completed by the veterinarian examining the stallion. Stallions must be two years old prior to the examination. All stallions used for breeding must be DNA tested and examined in order to be licensed. Request a Stallion License form and a DNA form from AHR for a total of $235 members, $310 nonmembers. This covers the cost of the DNA form and the license application. Have your vet examine the horse and complete the bottom portion of the Stallion License Application. Return the Stallion License Application to the AHR office. Pull the hair and attach it to the DNA form and send it to the University of Kentucky as instructed on the form. When the results of the DNA testing are returned from the lab in about 4 to 6 weeks, a license will be issued and sent to you. If you have had your stallion licensed in either HAA or HRNA and his vet inspection is on file at the AHR office, you do not have to have another vet inspection. However, if your stallion has not been DNA tested, this must be accomplished prior to registering foals for 2004 and beyond."
>
> Basically - you have a vet fill out this part on the stallion licensing form:
> "Veterinarian's Report -- To be completed by a Veterinarian
> 1. Have both testicles descended? Does this stallion have two normal size testicles in normal position in the scrotum? Can you verify that the stallion is not cryptorchid? Yes _____ No ______
> 2. Checking the first pair of (middle) incisors, top and bottom, do the biting surfaces touch? Can you verify that the stallion is neither monkey mouthed nor parrot mouthed? While checking his mouth, is his head in the normal head carriage for the Haflinger? Yes _____ No ______
> Please check one:
> _________ The DNA lab report is attached.
> _________ I am sending a hair sample to the University of Kentucky lab for DNA typing. The Owner understands that licensing will not be complete until the lab report is received by the Registry which usually takes 4 to 6 weeks
> Veterinarian's Comments:
> I personally have inspected the above stallion and find him to meet the qualifications required for a breeding license with the American Haflinger Registry."
>
> So a licensed stallion must meet the above qualifications - BUT it does not need to meet breed standards!
>
> To find out if a stallion meets with the American Haflinger Registeries breed standards it should have gone through I&C.
>
> For a stallion to be considered approved (or recommended) for breeding by the AHR, it would have to go through Inspection and Classification (I&C) which in the USA (and I am ONLY talking about the USA) is a NOT a compulsory program. A stallion does not need to pass I&C to breed in the USA - In Europe it is quite different.
>
> "Stallions scoring 74 points or less are not recommended for breeding." (per AHR rules).
>
> So, I looked up each of the stallions that Jennifer listed, and of the ones she liked, none of them had been through I&C. We do not know if they meet breed standards. We know they are licensed with the AHR.
>
> Of the stallions that Jennifer personally did not care for the looks of, two were GOLD rated (which is a HUGE deal) and three were SILVER rated. Three had not been inspected.
>
> All were licensed. Not all were recommended for breeding by the AHR - which means it cannot be proven that those stallions meet breed standards.
>
> Please to anyone wishing to weigh in on what a Haflinger should look like, or what the history is of the breed... research it. It is pretty easy to do, it just takes time. Read what the breed standards are on the AHR website, and also read what they are on the World Haflinger Federation (the international governing body) website.
>
> To help get those of you who are interested in learning more about Haflinger history and what Haflinger breed standards are both in the USA and internationally, check these links out;
>
> AHR website:
> http://www.haflingerhorse.com/
> AHR Breed Handbook - Rules, Regulations and Standards (in PDF):
> http://www.haflingerhorse.com/documents/ahr_handbook.pdf
> look on pages 53&54 to see a short summery of I&C
> WHF website:
> http://www.haflinger-tirol.com/en/world_federation/
> WHF Breeding objectives (in PDF):
> http://tinyurl.com/ybrmfgm
>
> I am sure that Kerstin can give us even more links to check out as well... I am not trying to be a know it all (as no one can ever know everything... we all are continually learning)
>
> OooF! Now I am taking a break. My eyes have gone blurry looking things up for everyone. I hope that I have been a little helpful and that you all will take the time to check out those links... there is an awful lot to be learned there. Learning is fun!
>
> Oh and BTW - I am not a breeder! I am someone who cares about the Haflinger breed, and wishes to see it remain as it is written within the breed standards. You don't have to be a breeder to care about the breed. ;^) I think this is something we can all AGREE on!
>
> Your Haffiefriend,
> ~Kiola~
> Brier, WA
>
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