I always marveled at the relationship he had with the horses he trained, and the methods he used. It was back in the late 1950's...early 1960's...and he trained for Kellogg Arabians at the time. When other trainers there were still using the "break a horse" aggressive and often abusive methods, he would be working quietly and gently developing a relationship with his horses. I was pretty much a kid then, but marveled at how much those horses loved him and how hard they would work for him. He was friends with Marty Roberts at the time and used many of the same techniques.
Much of it is pretty commonplace these days, but back then not so much, except for maybe the Dorrance's, and Ray Hunt...
Suzy
----- Original Message -----
From: Moon Goddess
To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: rescue
What other tidbits was shared with you?
I love learning things that I can use down the road. =)
--- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Suzy Moren" <critterkeeper1@...> wrote:
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> I get it... been doing it forever... a long time trainer also taught me...
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> Suzy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Moon Goddess
> To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:37 PM
> Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: rescue
>
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> I always let a horse show me who they are.
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> Most of us "horse people" always check the normal stuff .. like teeth for age, legs, feet, and UTD vaccinations. Some of us, will also insist on getting on the horse, and riding them, even if it's just the pen or stall of holding.
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> I however always take it one step further. This may seem strange to many of you, but I'll explain why in a minute. What I do different is, I blow in their nose. If the horse allows me to do this, and not move, and some will even blow back, then I will purchase the horse if the other above things are good. This is my time and tested true measure if a horse is sound/calm/and good tempered.
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> When I was a child, a Natural Horseman told me this was a quick and sure way to tell a horses temperment. He explained to me a hot horse that is head stong with throw their head if you do it, or even try and bite you. A fearful and untrusting horse will pull away .. often backwards - quickly. But a even tempered sound horse with a natural curiosity, will just stand there ... and will even respond to the sensation back. A curious horse, is a horse who will always learn with ease. A calm horse, will also be gentle, and often sensitive.
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> Not ever horse will exactly as I mentioned here. For some may do a combination of these things. But the tell tale sign, will be time frame in which they respond. If it's abrupt, like a knee jerk reaction, chances are they aren't the horse you want at home. But if it's a slow delay ... like a act that takes 15 to 20 seconds or more to respond, then chances are the horse if a good one.
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> I'm now in my 40's and I've owned many horses already in my life. Each one, passed the blow test.
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> Our Storm was abused by his first owner. He has barn fears, object fears, and fears men that he doesn't know. In a barn setting he paces, and moves side to side, in cross ties - will always check blind spots, and have nervous poops, will also paw the floor. He will rear in a closed in stall when a man is in. Even with his issues, he's still a sound horse, and a great horse to own. Why you might ask?
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> He is, because outside, he's calm, cool, loving, gentle. He will stand for you without being tied, while you bathe, groom, saddle him. He's not afraid of noise outside believe it or not, like water, will ride through it. He'll even cross small walking pond bridges, that most of the other horses refuse to cross. He loves kids, and follows them around like a lost puppy. He even plays with you, a game of chase and tag. He doesn't run off if you dismount during a ride to use the bushes. What he does is just stand there and eats if there's grass for you to return!
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> So as you can see, outside he's the perfect little horse for a child or adult. But inside a barn, he needs a careful hand, time, and most of all understanding. He's working through is fears with the aide of smell retraining. Which is blocking of the minds fears, through positive smells .. like apples. It's some of the things the Horse Whisper and Dog Whisper uses in their retraining of animals.
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> I would never have bought this suck, if he hadn't passed the blow test. Which is why I let horses tell me who they are, from doing it.
> Even horses with issues like abuse can be worked with, if they are understood and guided with someone who is willing to work with them. The key is finding one who isn't broken down to the point they trust no one, or are crazy in nature.
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> Just my 2 cents worth .. lol
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> Selena
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> --- In haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com, "Suzy Moren" <critterkeeper1@> wrote:
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> > If you reread what I wrote you will see that I said there were good horses there now.... BUT... the buyer has to have the knowledge and experience to know which one they are... A new or inexperienced buyer won't. Those are the people I said should not be buying at a killer auction.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: K Garriott
> > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: rescue
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzy, you were spot on with your advice here. Except now Im not so sure that advice is as true as it always used to be. With the glut of horses, high feed prices, huge job losses, etc. etc. Im afraid that quite legitimate horses are ending up in the low end sales these days. Not that your not still taking a huge chance ( because you are) but the chances of a person finding a diamond at the garage sale are a lot better than they used to be, and that too is adding to the devaulation of horses. Even the good ones. You experienced that first hand.
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> > Karen G www.princesscarriage.com
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Suzy Moren <critterkeeper1@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Suzy Moren <critterkeeper1@>
> > Subject: Re: [haflingerfriends] Re: rescue
> > To: haflingerfriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 1:34 PM
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> > I don't think any of you are really saying different things, just different circumstances. ..
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> > I'm a "confident beginner", back after 30 years of no horses. I bought a registered, highly trained TWH for $4000... just as Brandy said... we were not a good match. He didn't trust me as he was used to professional riders. I sold him and bought a registered Haflinger, a former driving horse for a mere $800.... we are a perfect match! BTW... I had to sell the TWH for $1500 just 6 months after purchasing him... the market was way down..
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> > I don't think there is anything wrong with buying a "rescue" horse, BUT, if your like me, and not an experienced horseperson with training skills, you shouldn't run to the killer auction and buy a horse, it's a gamble that could prove dangerous. As was said, in the past most of the horses at the killer auctions were damaged horses. Now, there are perfectly good horses there, but if you buy there you better know the difference.
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> > My suggestion is that unless you are skilled enough to evaluate the horse you are buying, avoid the killer auctions, and look for the legitimate rescue organizations. They have worked with, fed, and vetted the horses they place. They won't match you with a horse you can't handle, and they won't place a horse without making sure you know what your doing, and have the finances and faculties to care for it.
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> > Suzy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cuttin4fun25
> > To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 12:38 PM
> > Subject: [haflingerfriends] Re: rescue
> >
> > Well Said Leslie!
> >
> > My husband is a great example of that, his rope horse we paid 5k for 4 years ago, broke to rope and trails etc...but my husband had no clue how to push his buttons. I had to train my husband to know the horse. lol.
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> > Rescues are great and sometimes the best horses to own! I adopted a BLM mustang mare a few years back for $150 and to me that is no big deal, I train my own horses, and now she is one of my best cow horses. But to see how MANY people were at the adoption just to get a cheap horse, that was wild was amazing!! People had no clue. and no trainer or anything. Crazy
> >
> > Brandy
> >
> > --- In haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com, Leslie Walker <nalaandamber@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > > Ã,
> > > Each of us acquires our horses for different reasons.Ã, I for one rescued a diamond.Ã, She is a diamond for me, maybe not you.Ã, I wouldn't trade her for anyone's better trained better bred horse.Ã, My Amber has brought much joy to many people.Ã, I knew nothing about haflingers before she came into my life.Ã, Several of my friends have purchased registered haflingers as a result of getting to know Amber and her filly Nala.Ã, While a rescue horse may not be for you, don't discount that they may be perfect for someone else.Ã,
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> > > I would further argue that because a horse is "registered and trained" does not make it better suited for all buyers.Ã, One must have possess a level of competency and skill to ride and handle horses.Ã, I've witnessed many folks that have purchased expensive, well bred, well trained horses that they can not ride.Ã, If you have poor skills it does not matter whether or not the horse is registered, expensive or well trained.Ã, Horses are smart and they figure out quite quickly when you don't have a clue what you are doing.Ã,
> > > Ã,
> > > I for one am very delighted and proud to own my unregistered, rescued haflingers.
> > > Ã,
> > > Leslie
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Victoria da Roza <castlerockjacobs@ ...> wrote:
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> > >
> > > From: Victoria da Roza <castlerockjacobs@ ...>
> > > Subject: [haflingerfriends] rescue
> > > To: haflingerfriends@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 7:42 AM
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> > > Lene,
> > > A woman next door had always wanted a Paint and the other neighbor had rescued some from an auction. So the first woman paid the rescuer $400 for the 5 yr. old paint. She has never been able to get on him cause he bucks so bad. She has empolyed several trainer for months and he still bucks so he is usless so far as a trail horse. She is now hiring the third trainer. She might as well have bought the horse she wanted that was trained and proven for what she has put into vet and trainers bills and she still does not have a trained horse. Just something to consider in deciding about a rescue.
> > > Victoria
> > > Castle Rock Farm
> > > www.castlerockfarm. net
> > > Walnut Creek, Calif.
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> > > "Do not go where the path might lead
> > > But go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"
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